Reservations in Pvt sector??

[capricious_freak]

What do ya'all think..???

[CtrlAltDel]

whats there to think? its the worst idea in a history of bad ideas...

anyway the private sector captains wont allow it....

[akhilis2cool]

maan that is the last thing we need....we know what has happenned in the govt. sector b`coz of reservation. if it happens to pvt sector...then we r doomed,

[Adonis]

they cant do that !!..what kind of democracy is that ..if u can force reservations in private sector !!!...



we are not communists !!

[ZC]

India Shining



Indian Dictionary of English: page 272:



Shine, Shining = anything that looses it polish, becomes rough, useless, degrades with time.........



Equivalent in Oxford English dictionary: Rusting.

[Adonis]

^^^ hmmm ??wtf is that for real ???

how can shining be rusting ..its just ironic !!!

[CtrlAltDel]

India Shining
Indian Dictionary of English: page 272:
Shine, Shining = anything that looses it polish, becomes rough, useless, degrades with time.........
Equivalent in Oxford English dictionary: Rusting.

wats that got to do with this topic?

[ZC]

India Shining
Indian Dictionary of English: page 272:
Shine, Shining = anything that looses it polish, becomes rough, useless, degrades with time.........
Equivalent in Oxford English dictionary: Rusting.

wats that got to do with this topic?

when actually India is rusting with stupid policies like these...........politicians claim that its shinning....probably they got the meaning of shinning wrong they actually wanted to use rusting

[CtrlAltDel]

when actually India is rusting with stupid policies like these...

this is not yet a policy...its just that some politicos are blabbering abt this now n then...soon they'll all be paid a few crores by the industry to keep quite till the next elections

as long as the Commies have some influence...Rust is what it'll be...why didnt Nehru ban them when he had the chance during the china war...

[ZC]

when actually India is rusting with stupid policies like these...

this is not yet a policy...its just that some politicos are blabbering abt this now n then...soon they'll all be paid a few crores by the industry to keep quite till the next elections
as long as the Commies have some influence...Rust is what it'll be...why didnt Nehru ban them when he had the chance during the china war...

on the path to rusting.....whatever......with population exploding, India can only rust, not shine



Mera Bharath mahan, Bharat vaasi sab *********** whatever

[azazel]

bad idea man..

[capricious_freak]

I think we are going further back into the medieval times with these communist mofos. I mean...cant they just get it...communism is dead..the soviet union is history..Lenin is histroy.. ...i think these communist bastards are prime candidates for ethunasia.

[sindhu]

kill the CMPIM okkkkk





as far as im a hindu ..



ill get a jobb



ifn ur a punjabi .. or a jewish llokin north indian...

no jobs for u in andhtra pradesh f** off

im a punk lol





bahahhaha



gosh those muslims and st sc ppl takin awway my collage seats very unfair...





lol



even if they had a goood system like merit concepT its goodd..

pluss dont give addmissions to muslims lol

if there can be muslim univercities and urdu schoolls y not hindu 1sns as well...





that would not only let the kids .. with 59% and 60%



get into good collages.. {if they are not frm a backward / muslim class..)



it would also ... give us more seats ie vekant seats..



ppl cry cos they lost seats .. cos they ... gave all to the st sc pppl

i donno abaut muslims im frm mumabi..



our governement here .. isnt that brutall..



but i cant immagine how u ppl in hyderabad ... survive..





wiht .. st sc .. + muslim reservations .. oMFG this should be fucin brutal lol





not to mention .. the fact .. that u all have vierd.. dress codes sobbbbb



do does that mean if i score less ill have to go to a bad collage wearin a ""salwar kamiz????""





ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww



well thats how my cousins collage in hyderabad is lOL ewwwwwwwwwww

[blackcobra]

Pvt sectors have already indicated iff reservation at such level is implemented w'll look for talent in other countries.]





these congress men rt from nehru are bloody cheats they never had worked out in countries interest all the time looking out for their own personal interest.

[Lucifer]

I don't understand what the hullabaloo over reservations in the private sector is about. Every country has it. The US calls it 'Affirmative Action', but in effect that is reservations. Posts are reserved for the minority in every enterprise in the US.



In India, we tend to put the private sector on a completely different pedestal. I don't know why we do that. Sadly, the private sector has not done anything substantial for the country. Please exclude the Tatas and the Birlas here when you cite examples of the private sector doing stuff for this country. Whatever progress we have made, it is because of the PSUs. I am hot happy about it, but that is the hard truth.



Anyway, that is not the point. The point here is the disparity in the demographics. Can anyone name any five CEOs who belong to the backward classes? Don't tell me that in a country where a majority of the population belongs to the backward classes, not one is worthy enough to be a CEO. How many private companies employ physically handicapped people? There are enough desk jobs that these people can do.



Private companies in India just don't take the initiative. And when that does not happen, the government has to do something about it.

[CtrlAltDel]

I don't understand what the hullabaloo over reservations in the private sector is about. Every country has it. The US calls it 'Affirmative Action', but in effect that is reservations. Posts are reserved for the minority in every enterprise in the US...

its not the same luci...in the US, the companies (or even colleges) do not lower the standards for the beneficiaries of Affirmative Action. the entry criteria is the same for all, but for some number of seats, they consider the meritorious members of the minority. and most importantly, the affluent blacks do not use this crutch and even if they do try, the others wud discourage them - a question of ethics.

[Lucifer]

Exactly my point, CAD. Who is asking you to lower merit? Are you telling me that not even one backward class person is meritorious enough to be a CEO? And if that is not the case, then why don't we have any CEO who belongs to the backward classes?



To me, this amounts to discrimination. And if the private companies are not taking 'Affirmative Action' then the government has to step in.

[Pi$$ed off HP]

Exactly my point, CAD. Who is asking you to lower merit? Are you telling me that not even one backward class person is meritorious enough to be a CEO? And if that is not the case, then why don't we have any CEO who belongs to the backward classes?

To me, this amounts to discrimination. And if the private companies are not taking 'Affirmative Action' then the government has to step in.

Utopian Lucifer. As much an oxymoron as just reservations. And all those arguments on the line of not enough meritorious people among backward classes is simply leftist hogwash.



I don't agree with the contention that the private sector discriminates on the basis of caste, atleast not in a majority of the cases. And the government can't force down a sub-standard workforce down their throats.



You may make tall claims in the name of social justice but deep down, you too know that reservations are being implemented without any concern for the quality of the workforce in the public sector. And this is one big reason for lower productivity in these establishments. Now why on earth should this be extended to the private sector; IIM's and other centres of higher learning?

[blackcobra]

Exactly my point, CAD. Who is asking you to lower merit? Are you telling me that not even one backward class person is meritorious enough to be a CEO? And if that is not the case, then why don't we have any CEO who belongs to the backward classes?

To me, this amounts to discrimination. And if the private companies are not taking 'Affirmative Action' then the government has to step in.

what we want to say is the same thing



iff they have merit then let them fight for the position with other merit stduents.



they want reservation in higher education and even in jobs this shows they dont have enough talent in them.

[Lucifer]

Utopian Lucifer. As much an oxymoron as just reservations. And all those arguments on the line of not enough meritorious people among backward classes is simply leftist hogwash.

Perhaps it is Utopian. But there is much truth in what I have said. Just by labelling something as leftist hogwash you cannot hope to drive your point home. You need to substantiate it with facts. Even if it is a leftist thought, the very reason that it is a leftist thought does not mean that it automatically becomes wrong.

You tell me, HP. How many physically challenged people does Reliance employ? Does physical disability have anything to do with a person's intellect? But we don't see the numbers getting reflected here. I shall come back to my point of the CEO again. Name one, only one, backward class CEO. In a country of over 55 crore backward class people, is not one meritorious enough to be a CEO? Please answer this question.

I don't agree with the contention that the private sector discriminates on the basis of caste, atleast not in a majority of the cases. And the government can't force down a sub-standard workforce down their throats.

Oh trust me! The government does not have to force down sub-standard workforce down private companies' throats. You know why? Because the best brains appear for the civil services anyway. The private companies get second grade workforce like you and I.

Besides, no one is asking the companies to employ people they do not deem worthy enough. Employ who you deem worthy. Just take some affirmative action for the backward classes. For almost 60 years the private companies did nothing about it. So, now the government has to impose itself on them. There is social accountability, and no enterprise can shy away from it.

You may make tall claims in the name of social justice but deep down, you too know that reservations are being implemented without any concern for the quality of the workforce in the public sector. And this is one big reason for lower productivity in these establishments. Now why on earth should this be extended to the private sector; IIM's and other centres of higher learning?

I don't know why there is a perception that the public sector has lower productivity. The only Indian Fortune 500 company is a public sector enterprise. Some of the best companies in India are in the public sector - HPCL, BPCL, BHEL, ONGC, NTPC, NMDC, BSNL, etc.



The PSUs have representations for all communities, as per government guidelines. They still do much better work than any private company in India.



PS: Are you pissed off at the concept of reservations or pissed off because I came out in support of it?

[P|$$ed off HP]

Utopian Lucifer. As much an oxymoron as just reservations. And all those arguments on the line of not enough meritorious people among backward classes is simply leftist hogwash.

Perhaps it is Utopian. But there is much truth in what I have said. Just by labelling something as leftist hogwash you cannot hope to drive your point home. You need to substantiate it with facts. Even if it is a leftist thought, the very reason that it is a leftist thought does not mean that it automatically becomes wrong.

Well...let me put it this way then. You say that there are a large number of deserving candidates among the backward classes. If they are indeed deserving, do you mean to say that the private sector is deliberately not employing them just because of their caste? That's against the very tenets on which capitalism is formed. No company which has its interests on top of its priorities will let go meritorious candidates on such frivolous grounds.

Conversely, let's have a look at the state of affairs in the PSU's that you glorify so profusely. Agreed....they are behemoths. But that's because they were formed with huge amounts of public money and hardly had any accountability till the last decade or so. And you need to walk into a railway station to see what value addition the reservations policy has made to the biggest PSU in India. You should compare the way a private bank officer talks to a customer with the way an employee of India's largest bank would.

Apart from this, I can't get you more facts as that would entail extensive research on my part for which I neither have the time nor the money. And I didn't call it wrong just because it was a leftist ideal. Its wrong because the very premise of reservations is flawed at the implementation stage. How does an organisation account for the seats that are not filled by reservation? Ideally, they should be filled up with people from the general category. But reality is that they are filled up by the reserved classes themselves. Even though it might mean sacrificing a general quota candidate who's more meritorious than the BC candidate for whom he made way. I'm sure everyone around would have seen cases where an SC/ST candidate having scored 45% in his +2 gets an engineering seat ahead of an general category candidate with 80%. You call this just? And now the same is going to extended to the private sector. So much for "Affirmative Action"

You tell me, HP. How many physically challenged people does Reliance employ? Does physical disability have anything to do with a person's intellect? But we don't see the numbers getting reflected here. I shall come back to my point of the CEO again. Name one, only one, backward class CEO. In a country of over 55 crore backward class people, is not one meritorious enough to be a CEO? Please answer this question.

Rather than asking that question, wouldn't it be more relevant if you ask how many handicapped candidates reliance has rejected on the basis of their disability? And name one backward class employee who grew up to be a CEO in a PSU. This is why I termed your views above as leftist hogwash. Just play around with words and you can present a completely different picture.

I don't agree with the contention that the private sector discriminates on the basis of caste, atleast not in a majority of the cases. And the government can't force down a sub-standard workforce down their throats.

Oh trust me! The government does not have to force down sub-standard workforce down private companies' throats. You know why? Because the best brains appear for the civil services anyway. The private companies get second grade workforce like you and I.

Speak for yourself. I don't consider myself second grade.

Besides, no one is asking the companies to employ people they do not deem worthy enough. Employ who you deem worthy. Just take some affirmative action for the backward classes. For almost 60 years the private companies did nothing about it. So, now the government has to impose itself on them. There is social accountability, and no enterprise can shy away from it.

What exactly do you mean by reservations and the freedom to employ who you deem worthy? Lets say a company has 100 vacancies for a given post. 200 candidates apply. now what should the company do?

1. Fill up 49 seats from the BC candidates applying, irrespective of their grades and capabilities.

2. Employ 30 deserving candidates from the BC lot. And fill the other 19 reserved seats with deserving general quota candidates.

As far as my logic goes, option B is more just. But unfortunately, option 1 has been the way reservations have been implemented in India. And that IMO is wrong.

You may make tall claims in the name of social justice but deep down, you too know that reservations are being implemented without any concern for the quality of the workforce in the public sector. And this is one big reason for lower productivity in these establishments. Now why on earth should this be extended to the private sector; IIM's and other centres of higher learning?

I don't know why there is a perception that the public sector has lower productivity. The only Indian Fortune 500 company is a public sector enterprise. Some of the best companies in India are in the public sector - HPCL, BPCL, BHEL, ONGC, NTPC, NMDC, BSNL, etc.

Its not a perception. Its a fact. Tell me, how do you compare the growth of a decades old SBI (the only Indian F-500 company) with that of a 15 yr old ICICI Bank? And it just doesn't end with growth. Check out coverage, depositors etc. And if you do a wholesome comparison, you'll see the inefficiency that I talk about.

The PSUs have representations for all communities, as per government guidelines. They still do much better work than any private company in India.

Now tell me, what does a person's community have to do with their capabilities? Are you trying to say that the PSU's are doing well because of representation from all communities? Can we have some facts on this?

PS: Are you pissed off at the concept of reservations or pissed off because I came out in support of it?

Do you really think you hold that kind of an importance in my scheme of things? Go get a life!!

[sp]

P|$$ed off HP
bullsh!t

stop acting and typing like a hyper 13yr old teenaged girl

you're always being a bitch to everyone on the boards



the only thing good about you is your fervour for our religion