Is BiSexualism Natural?

by **bornhyderabadi** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 3:25 pm

My say on this is \"No\". You don\'t see any other animal involved in such acts or atleast as for as is documented, for its simple that its not natural. All the bisexualism that we hear of is by people who want to do something new and against established social norms, they can go to any extent to achieve this. what do you think of this?

by **raghu** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 2:46 am

r u talking homosexuality or bi? In either case, it is ignorant to think that it is unnatural. There are several documented studies that reveal the homosexual behavior of animals (monkeys, seals, dolphins etc.). Of course, in many cases, this is the result of paucity of members of opposite sex. When, one or the erstwhile weak members of the herd gets strong enuff to be able to get its own mate, presto, we have a bisexual. Sexuality, like religion, should belong in the private realm and it should not be made the object of prejudices. Homosexuals are people too, every bit like you and me. So stop passing moral judgements. Wake up. remember, it is the 21st century.

by **an aching heart** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 12:47 pm

oh, yeah ! we r in the 21st century, so we have to show our progress, u kno! how can it b called progressive if we still get married or are partnered to the opposite sex alone !! that wud b rather ridiculous ! it has to be homsosexual/lesbian/gay marriages and then we can hurry into marrying some animals too, in the name of progress. after all, aren\'t we in the 21st century !! In fact, isn\'t that what is happening in some of the most advanced countries, among certain groups !!? How can \'WE\' be left behind on such an important issue !!?? all in the name of progress, wah !!! kahan aaagaya mera hyderabad !!?.. mera bharath !!??

by **pavani with aching tummy** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 2:32 pm

<img src=\"http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39142000/jpg/_39142636_kiss_ap203.jpg\" align=right>
 
yes aching heart. we must not do to animals, but we can do like these two genitalmen here. see how much they love each other.

by **Nauseated** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 7:34 pm

Do u understand sarcasm, pavani !

by **pavani** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 9:37 pm

yes he is sarcastic to the poor gay men who are kissing here.

by **Aaqib** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 9:58 pm

To simply put it in the right perspective, this perversion is an one of the tools of Satan to make people rebel against God. It really is by whatever name you call it - homo or bi. And who do you think when one rebels against one creator? To say that this is natural is to blame God for this despicable act.

by **raghu** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 3:55 am

Hello Aching heart, the sarcasm is none too subtle. OK, first things first, I do not consider homosexuality as progress but I do think being able to accept what is different as progress. For too long we have been an extremely intolerant species. Just killing the non-conformists and perpetrating inhuman treatment in the name of caste, religion etc. 20th century changed that. It put an end to many prejudices like racism, casteism (to some extent). When I said, 21st century, this is the context I meant it in. 
 

 
Homosexuals do not behave the way they do cuz it is \"KEWL\" or whatever. They are just different. just as blacks are different from whites. The question then becomes, can you accept these \"different\" people as human beings and get along with them, or do you want to impose your heterosexual beliefs derived from outdated religous doctrines and make the world a bigoted place. Homosexuality is not new. There are certain studies that show about 6% of all populations are homosexual. Even if that figure were only 0.5% that still is a lot of people. They always existed. It only seems more common in the west because, there they have the freedom to come out in the open without the fear of persecution. If they were to surface openly in Hyderabad, they would be the object of ridicule of people like you. 
 

 
Also, when I talk about homosexuals, I am talking about consenting adults. A homosexual letting off his sexual desires on an unsuspecting kid is as much a criminal as a rapist. Which segues wonderfully into a rejoinder to your \"sex with animals\" argument. Show me an animal that can make an informed decision about whether or not it wants to have sex with a human being, I would say, yeah, let there be sex. Since we are not there, bringing that up to divert the argument is improper. 
 

 
If you want to continue your sarcastic progress line or bring up some religious doctrine, adios amigo. or else we will debate. \"A closed mind is like a full glass. It can hold no more\".

by **14 yr old\'s mom** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 5:29 am

Raghu, everything that is different cannot be progress, bete! There ARE certain issues which DO need the change and certain other issues which certainly need to be where they were. This is one of those issues which I feel should be where it was.. in the closet. It is my perception as of today. I might change as I grow older, I do not know. No doubt that homosexuality had been existing since ages in India too, but again, that had been looked at as one of the vices rather than the accepted fact that it is natural. Maybe that IS one of the reasons that it has NOt grown out of proportions yet!? I find a lot of younger generation kids leaning towards being homosexuals when they feel that it might look \'KEWL\'... it is just as simple as letting the pants slip under ones butt and let the boxers be seen ! Its \'kEWL\'. The same kids grow up into adults, Raghu. I have some friends who feel that they should NOT have been allowed by their parents to make those choices then. Its totally my perception and my personal feeling and I also know that its somebody\'s personal choice as to what they want to do in their bedrooms as long as its with another consenting adult/s ! Just as they have the right to feel whatever they feel, think and make a choice, I believe that I have the right to feel, think and make an informed choice about these issues. As far as sex with animals is concerned, yes, that is also happening in some places, by the human beings\' choice. I do not know if the animals can consent to it ! Maybe the animal rights\' activists should get into the picture.(pun intended, alright, but seemed to have failed utterly like the ways I am feeling LOST!) I wish I can give a more healthier world to our growing up kids, but I do know that I have to nurture my children so, so that they themselves make the right choices and we should hope for the best.

by **14 yr old\'s mom** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 5:33 am

yes, Aaqib, that is another reason that I feel such perversion should not be taken to.

by **Z C** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 1:20 pm

Any species would survive/exist through its progeny... If homosexuals can produce offspring, I think therez no problem. It is not possible and is against the basic laws of Nature. For those who say it\'s a feeling, why don\'t you ***** ur ***? It\'s also just a feeling!!

by **mrk** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 1:34 pm

Its nothing but another type of mental. Pagalonka kaam hai yeh. Sale mardonkebemarad banake jahanme hizdonko paida karneke vaasthe kuch pagal saddist mardonka khel hai yeh.

by **bornhyderabadi** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 4:42 pm

Raghu, I think you did not get the gest of this discussion. I just wnated to know if this kind of behaviour is \"Natural\", if its \"Normal\" or not is a different dimension in itself. There are certain behaviours which which state as natural for instance hunger,thrist, excretion etc... are natural behaviours not restricting to just humans but all beings. Similarly sex is natural behaviour, which leads to continuation of the race/breed...
 so in this pretext who do one approach when he is in want fullfill this desire. My say on this is it has to be opposite sex and that itself is natural.

by **Arch** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 7:55 pm

Paagalon ki kami nahin hai ghalib\ ek doondho tho haazar milthe hai. Not all are paagal too, as it seems on this board which has the likes of the 14-yr oldd\' mom, ZC and bornhyderabadi. Dear 14\'s old\'s Mom, do not be worried about your children. you seem to be a loving, smart, caring and nurturing mother. Your children will be fine, Ma\'m. They shall certainly make the right choices considering you are their mother!

by **Arch** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 8:01 pm

LOL... ZC, that was a good reply. not very subtly put, but who cares?

by **raghu** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:21 pm

The broad underlying themes I can make out from all the opposition to homosexuality are:
 
1. It is not natural - so it is bad.
 
2. It does not result in progeny - so it is bad.
 
3. It is sinful
 
4. I have no argument to offer so you are mad.
 

 
Of these four categories, # 4 does not need any response. # 3 cannot be argued with as it is not based on logic, but faith.
 
My response to # 1 is: Yes it is natural. It's not just humans who exhibit this kind of deviation from the normal. Animals do too. Please check the archives of PBS (http://www.pbs.org) and search for homosexuality in animals or some such and I am sure you will find the program I am referring to. If not, try google. Even if it were not natural, and if it were a human invention, so are most other things about human beings. Money, marriage, society, language etc. are all unique to humans too and hence \"unnatural\". So no reason to single out homosexuality.
 

 
Argument # 2 is also warped in my opinion, as our existence at an individual level does not center on producing progeny. there are several heterosexual couples who do not want to have children, for whatever reasons. Now will you start attacking them as well? It is their choice. Isn\'t it?
 

 
My response to 14yr-old's- mom is that, I share her apprehensions. I am not advocating that homosexuals be able to practice their sexual preference in full public view. All I am saying is that if someone is a homosexual, as long as he is not in your face, it is OK. They should not be singled out and discriminated against. They must be treated with the same dignity and respect as any other human being.

by **Z C** » Wed Aug 06, 2003 2:52 pm

It is natural for a thief to continue to steal. It is natural for a rebel to kill someone very easily and continue to do so. At an individual level it is okay for them, at the society level it is not okay. U may say,what is ur problem when both the adults are consenting, the problem is \"u dont want ur child to know about this stuff\", u may say, it is okay for u coz it natural, but before that ask ur parents if it is okay if u r a homo !!

by **raghu** » Wed Aug 06, 2003 10:24 pm

Interesting. So you actually think that someone whose sexual orientation is gay, would turn out to be a heterosexual if he does not know about homosexuality. If my child is a homosexual, he will seek out other homosexuals inspite of what I teach him or not teach him. Homosexuals are biologically wired to be the way they are.
 
 I do not know about my parents, but it would not matter a whit to me if my child were a homosexual. I wish others were the same.

by **wellwisher** » Thu Aug 07, 2003 5:05 am

Ha.ha.ha.ha.I think you are very young and probably not yet married and do not have children, Raghu. And if you are a grown up married Man and a Father, God save the family from a parent so \'VERY enthusiastically\' understanding and so \'VERY enthusiastically\' compassionate towards issues such as your children being homosexuals rather than seeing to it that they grow up healthy and normal. Think into the furture..

by **pavani** » Thu Aug 07, 2003 11:44 am

May be u r a homosexual and that\'s why want to support them. There are 50-50 males:females ratio, so one man can marry one woman and there ends the matter. please, I beg u, not to support homosexuals even if u r one. Atleast let the children around you grow up normally and marry opposite sex pls. All the best.

by **bornhyderabadi** » Thu Aug 07, 2003 12:33 pm

Guys you are getting into different direction, my board here is not about gays/lesbians its a different subject in itself. I don\'t know about them(gays/lesbians) for they may be born with that kind of behaviour, atleast they are clear with what their choice of partner is.
 For if its gays they want male partners and similarly lesbians want female partners, if its some thing that happens naturally which prompts them to behave so then it \"may\" be ok, being a being a pure hetrosexual I cannot analyse on this, if science has something on this then I am unaware of it.
 But what my point here is a normal male/female who had had normal physical relation with opposite sex or continues do so, is suddenly impelled to try physical relationship with person from same sex. I would like to know if this kind of BiSexual behaviour is normal?

by **Z C** » Thu Aug 07, 2003 12:38 pm

Boss......Bornhyderabadi, what u say is homo only.......if u forget abt the past that ur hetero O:)))))))))))!! an urge to be a homo is wrong irrespective of whether u had of partner of the opposite sex or not.

by **bornhyderabadi** » Thu Aug 07, 2003 12:58 pm

Z C, I don\'t know if its wrong or right, but I would definetly like to know if its natural, for myself or many of my friends whom I know don\'t have such kind of feelings. I am a guy and can\'t even stand a guy holding my hand for long or touching me, so how can some one even think of having physical relationship with a person of same sex.

by **Z C** » Thu Aug 07, 2003 1:10 pm

Natural=Nature. U cant have babies out of homo\'s, so its not natural. Ex: A mule is not natural-its sterile. lets assume that homo....ity is natural, then they shud reproduce, again assume that they can reproduce, what will be the SEX of the offspring ? O:)) If u can allot SEX to this offspring then it is natural, else, its not !!! case rested.

by **raghu** » Thu Aug 07, 2003 8:09 pm

Would you listen to yourself. r u making any sense at all. according to you, the sole reason for sex is to produce offspring. Which means, humans should have mating seasons and only mate to produce offspring. I am a little confused as to what exactly the purpose of birth control pills, condoms, vasectomies and tubectomies is. R these not express measures for not producing offspring while letting an individual have sex. Oh I forgot. These are not natural and should be banned, eh?

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