Do intelligent women intimidate guys?

by **HALLim** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 2:44 pm

As for Indira Gandhi, well, there are arguments, aren\'t they? I would settle for Madam Curie, only person to win two Nobel Prizes...

by b. » Wed Jul 30, 2003 3:11 pm

what did she do.?

by **Salim** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 3:43 pm

Intelligent women make their way quickly and more effeciently.Depending on person to person...they do intimidate. This happens because,we have a certain idealogy that women would behave in some standard fashion( bholi bahli...seedhi saadi..soft etc etc)...so when guys like this, face such women they feel intimidated and rest find it normal.

by **BeeYanni** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 4:15 pm

hey b, Indira tried to supress free press....thats a reason for which any person should be shot...(our good old bush is trying to do the same with his patriot act &homeland security....but ofcourse noones ever called him intelligent.....LOL).....

by **BeerYanni** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 4:21 pm

the name should have read BeerYanni...btw...ADA LOVELACE was one intelligent lady......indian hindu myth...has gargi and lopamudra....shakuntala devi is damn good with maths so u decide if she is intelligent....mmmm..but would love to meet intelligent women out there....

by **mrk** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 4:25 pm

If a girl/woman is really more intelligent than man. Then His life will be in good condition. He will be the enjoyer of life. No, need to bother about anything she will be the suggester of his life.

by b. » Wed Jul 30, 2003 4:26 pm

who was Curie?
 
 hey Beeryani bhai, I am not worried about the \'emergency part\' all I said was Indira was as a leader pretty intelligent. don\'t you think so...

by **mrk** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 4:31 pm

Indiragandhi was really an intelligent woman. Thats why she brought a nara in her days that is garibi hatao-indiragandhi is duniyanse hat gayi magar garbhi nahi hati. Abhi bhi humare deshme garibhi hai.

by b. » Wed Jul 30, 2003 4:37 pm

well, did she say \'mai akeli gharibi hataoongi\'
 
 \'sab mera kaam hai\' ??

by **mrk** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 4:43 pm

Main akheli nahin Hazaron milke bhi apni gharibhiko nahin hatasakthe. Its neary above56yrs of independance we had but still we are facing the poverty problem. kyon boletho apne desh me khudgarz log jyada hai. Aur gharibon ke khoon chus ke jeenewale sabi positions pe tahrehuwe hain.

by **Romance** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 11:47 pm

To cut a long story short, Lady with the Lamp, since you started this topic, and since what I\'ve read in your postings has made perfect sense to me, let me tell you that I\'d love to meet you sometime. I think you are very intelligent, what remains to be seen is whether I am intimidated ! Though, frankly, if past experience is any yardstick in such matters, I doubt it !

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by **Vishy** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:56 pm

INTELLIGENT WOMAN? Does that species exist? If so, I am dying to meet them. Honestly, that species is extinct. Sorry, it\'s as extinct as a Tyrannosauras.

by **Lady with the Lamp** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 10:10 pm

For want of anything better to do at the moment, I have decided to take up the cudgels for the entire female community!!! What\'s this stuff about intelligent women being extinct like the Tyrannosaurus??? Let\'s just say intelligent women, for that matter, intelligent people, gravitate towards intelligent company and if you are going to be so condescending towards women then tough luck, pal.

by **JustaLittleUnwell** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 2:52 pm

Lady, I came across this thread a few days ago, but decided to leave it untouched assuming that this is already a dead horse (as in, the topic is closed for further discussions). Glad to hear that we are beating the horse further. *looks around to check if there are any PETA activists* I appreciate you for taking the burden of the entire female community on your tender shoulders

. However, I admit that I have some issues with the title of this thread you started.
 
 
When we talk of intelligent women (or people) as a special category, the assumption is that there are a few intelligent ones and many non-intelligent ones. My question is: why should we assume that some/many people are not intelligent? Is it because they cannot communicate with style as some others (the intelligent ones) do? Is it because they cannot conduct/dress themselves with as much sophistication? Is it because they are not as qualified/experienced? What is this intelligence thingy?
 
 
My take is that intelligence is a basic ability of every normal human being like vision, hearing, etc. It is the ability to process all available information and deliver the most appropriate response. Intelligence can emanate from the most unexpected quarters. If you look at some of the indigenous home made recipies and medical preparations that our illiterate and unsophisticated daadi maa\'s came up with, you would realize that they involved enormous intelligence to achieve these creations, involving complex processes to prepare them. Forget that, a scooter mechanic on the roadside can fix a problem in my scooter in 5 minutes, whereas I would\'ve been struggling to fix it for hours. Is he more intelligent than me? I would say, yes!
 
 
Intelligence is all pervasive, because people are (you find them everywhere, at least in this country

). It is not a rare commodity as the title of this topic seems to suggest. Given that every man and woman is intelligent, I should be spending my life in eternal intimidation, if what you asked were to be true

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by **Lady with the Lamp** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 8:26 pm

Hmmmmm.... The Oxford dictionary defines intelligence as \'Power of learning, understanding and reasoning; mental ability \'. People who are articulate, people who dress with sophistication, people who are well qualified etc. etc. do whatever they do with elan b\'cos of the kind of exposure/opportunities they\'ve had. As far as the \"scooter mechanic\" ex is concerned, I think you are confusing skill with intelligence. Your mechanic will be able to fix a problem in say, 30 minutes after all the practical experience/training he\'s had. But if you were to be given the same kind of training, for the same period then maybe you will be able to fix the same problem in half the time (assuming that you are more intelligent). Actually this ex doesn\'t quite convey the whole thing, b\'cos intelligence is more of a mental thing. Why are some able to solve puzzles/mind games in a jiffy, while many of us take much longer? Surely, you aren\'t saying that everyone is born with that extra edge?

by **JustaLittleUnwell** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 9:21 pm

Lady, firstly the Oxford meaning you gave is not very different from what I said from my understanding of the word. \'Mental ability\' and \'the ability to process information and respond in the best possible manner\' are not very different from each other. Secondly, the mechanic is very relevant here. Do you mean you can pick up a skill without mental involvement/ability? Skill is the manifestation of intelligence, and of course practise and aptitude. There could be variation in skill levels because of variations in practise & aptitude (or \'exposure\' as you call it). So, one mechanic may be more efficient than the other, but that doesn\'t mean the less efficient one lacks intelligence. Same holds good in the \'solving puzzle\' example of yours. I believe the \'extra edge\' comes from \'exposure\', rather than from any difference in intelligence levels. There are of course exceptions like child prodigies, but I suppose we are talking about rules rather than exceptions here.
 
 
Having said the above, do I believe that there are men and women to be branded \'intelligent\', and who outperform me because they are \'born superior\'? I don\'t think so. They outperform me because they received a better exposure on a given skill, and I would think several times before feeling intimidated about it.

by ZC » Tue Oct 21, 2003 11:54 am

Each time this topic comes up, I try to post something. But the problem is I haven\'t come across intelligent women. Yes, I came across a couple of intelligent tomboys, but I don\'t want to call them women ;-)

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by **Mayavi Morpheus** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 4:30 am

Yesterday, I was watching a TV movie about anicent Rome. In that movie a young, handsome Roman goes to a recreational club (sort of a whore house, the one you see in Mira Nair\'s (?) Kamasutra. People having mass sex). There he finds a gorgeous lady who seduces him and takes him to a serene location which has a hot water pool. \"Water is heated by furnaces placed under the tub\" explains the lady to the confused Roman. \"You are an intelligent woman. Why are you here?\" asks the impressed Roman. To that the lady answers, \"Woman do have brains and some are more intelligent than men but it is not rewarding to be an intelligent woman in Rome.\"
 
*cut*
 
Fast forward 3000 years, modern day India where gals are still not allowed to pursue higher education as it will be difficult to find a groom who is more educated. Where gals still have to pay large sums of money as dowry irrespective of their degrees, Ph.d\'s, where gals are always reminded that men are superior to them and the parents show a bias towards the male child. No wonder you didn\'t see any intelligent women (I did and I have seen quite a few of them), it\'s not rewarding to be intelligent in INDIA.

by ZC » Wed Oct 22, 2003 4:10 pm

Education = Intelligence. Don\'t agree. You can make it out when they talk. And I didn\'t come across a proper one.

by **Mayavi Morpheus** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 9:27 pm

Well, all educated are intelligent - may not be all, but most are - but all intelligent people are not educated (Rabri, anyone?). So education = intelligence, but intelligence is not education. Hope that clears.
 
 
Anyway, it\'s your bad luck that you didn\'t come across any intelligent gal and that all the gals you know are stupid or don\'t ooze \'intelligence\'. Isn\'t that the gist of this topic?

by ZC » Thu Oct 23, 2003 2:33 pm

Now I understand a bit more about relativity.

by **Lady with the Lamp** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 7:08 pm

All in all, u r saying that everyone is born equally intelligent, its the exposure/opportunity levels that make all the difference? Why do we have an institution like MENSA then? \"Intelligence is pervasive(bcoz there are ppl all around)\" Granted, but about the rest, well I have a different view. And about the intimidation bit, u r looking at it from a generic angle. When I posted the topic, it was more to get a male perspective on an issue which had relevance to an incident then.
 
 \"Most educated ppl are intelligent\". Hmmmm......actually, in today\'s world, ur education has become a yardstick of measuring ur intelligence.

by **Lady with the Lamp** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 8:51 pm

I was just thinking about the \'education and intelligence\' thing. MM, u r saying both are synonymous. Ok at this point of time we don\'t have too many examples to support otherwise, except for maybe B Gates who dropped out of Harvard and went on to open \'Windows\' to the less fortunate!! Yeah the typical \'genius\' category names crop up, who made it in life without a formal education. Will there ever come a point when education, just becomes a by-product of ur personality? Forgive the ramblings, all. And the gist of the topic is far removed from where the discussion is/has headed, but never mind.......if there\'s need for free speech, there\'s always fullhyd!!

by **JustaLittleUnwell** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 8:53 pm

If existance of institutions like MENSA should prove that these people are \'born superior\', then there are also other organizations like Ku Klux Klan to vouch for a diffent kind of \'born superiority\'. So who\'s right? Just like you disagree about education being a measure of intelligence, a mensa score also is not a measure. What about the peope who did not have the chance to know what mensa is (5/6th of this planet\'s population which happens to live in the 3rd world), or didnt bother to take it? Or those who fared badly because they did not have the practise on those kind of tests? They don\'t have intelligence?
 
 I deliberately ignored the sexist question and instead focussed on the basic underlying assumption because it appeared to me to be \'elitist\' to have such an assumption. Elitism is centuries old and nothing new, whereby some privileged set of people used some benchmark to claim \'exclusivity\'. It is lot more tough to think in an \'inclusive\' manner, and realize the human potential that exists all around.

by **Lady with the Lamp** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:46 pm

JLU, now who\'s acting \'Holier than thou\'? U r suggesting that my tone was elitist, when I first posted the topic? I\'m not going to scream myself hoarse. Its ur opinion. You are entitled to it.
 
 You are putting MENSA in the same category as the Ku Klx Klan?? \"Who\'s right?\" It depends on whose side u are!!! :-)

I admit my knowledge about MENSA and how it works, is skeletal. But if are trying to justify the absurdity of the organisation then there\'s no end to the debate.
 
 I totally agree with u on the \'think inclusively\' bit. There\'s a helluva lot I\'ve learnt from so many ppl, who are just ordinary ppl trying to make a difference. I hope to continue in the same spirit. Cheers to learning!

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