Fatwa against singing Vande Mataram

[Lucifer]

Most of what I want to say has already been echoed by Betty.



I have not read the Quran and I do not know what it says. But from what I have read of other religious books, most things are stated metaphorically. The meaning is based solely upon one's interpretetion. I am not questioning anyone's religious faith or the way that they are supposed to practice their religion.



In countries like Indonesia with almost all the population Muslim, Ramleela is quite common during Dashehra. The performers are all Muslim too. Ramayana is a part of the Indonesian culture as much as Islam is a part of their life. I don't believe that because they imbibe the Ramayana they are any less believers in Islam than their Indian counterparts.



That is exactly why I do not know why such things are blown out of proportion in India. Ramayana and Mahabharata are as Indian as the Ganga. Isn't it funny that we have one country beautifully remembering its heritage while a population of the country of their origin considers reading them heretical?



Same is the case with Vande Mataram. That song was written to generate patriotic fervour. It united people of all religion into one. Why should it be an issue now? Why give this thing a communal colour? Is country not always supposed to come first?

[Akshay]

Patriotism and Religion should be served on the plate of contemporary milieu. Hence religious practices should accomodate national responsibilities, just as secular nations should accomodate religious responsibilities. They both should go hand in hand.



I think the mullahs are right in delivering a fatwa against singing vandemataram if it goes against the Islamic tenets. They are upholding their responsibility to their followers by doing so.



Now it is for the secular nation to uphold its responsibility towards all its citizens by strictly prsecuting those issuing fatwas against singing of national song if such is against the constitution and a prosecutable crime.

It is against the muslim religion to prostrate in front of any other entity except God. So, if a muslim says that he will prostrate before any thing, it is quite a big deal.

Secular nations demand many things that require flexibile outlook by their citizens. There are things that happen in india that are against Islam and as a result as per you should be intolerable and a big deal to practicing muslims. One example is the concept of Dar-Ul-islam and Dar-Ul-harb. I am no expert in these issues but I would assume that Kashmir falls under Dar-Ul-harb category as per Islam. So would you advocate and support the Kashmiri terrorists under the argument that not fighting india will be against their religious duty?

My point is that religious doses should be consumed with some contemporary liberalism.

Isn't it funny that we have one country beautifully remembering its heritage while a population of the country of their origin considers reading them heretical?

The converted acting holier than the converter holds true here. This actually held true even for indian christians when they got Da Vinci Code banned while the papal europe had no problem whatsoever. The converted see a need to constantly prove their belief in their conversion.

[paris_dakar]

Is religion above or below a country; a piece of land that can be anywhere? so the muslims don't want to sing it, thats ok. my sister went to stanley and she didn't like signing praise the lord everyday! big deal...we are all alive and good.



just the little things in life that we need to bitch about...please don't take that away

[Reality]

Is religion above or below a country; a piece of land that can be anywhere? so the muslims don't want to sing it, thats ok. my sister went to stanley and she didn't like signing praise the lord everyday! big deal...we are all alive and good.

just the little things in life that we need to bitch about...please don't take that away

I hope you understand the issue before giving your view. How in the world can you equate asking a citizen of the country to sing its national song to a situation where students following different faiths are asked to pray in accordance to a certain faith.

[Sharjeel]

Is religion above or below a country; a piece of land that can be anywhere? so the muslims don't want to sing it, thats ok. my sister went to stanley and she didn't like signing praise the lord everyday! big deal...we are all alive and good.

just the little things in life that we need to bitch about...please don't take that away

I hope you understand the issue before giving your view. How in the world can you equate asking a citizen of the country to sing its national song to a situation where students following different faiths are asked to pray in accordance to a certain faith.

It's the same thing. The packaging is different, but the product is the same.



I can almost agree with paris_dakar, but nobody bitches about those stanza, except the attention mongers. Nobody has ever had any problems.

[Reality]

How in the world can you equate asking a citizen of the country to sing its national song to a situation where students following different faiths are asked to pray in accordance to a certain faith.

It's the same thing. The packaging is different, but the product is the same.

I can almost agree with paris_dakar, but nobody bitches about those stanza, except the attention mongers. Nobody has ever had any problems.

So you are saying that religion comes first and then the country? or is it that only thing that matters is religion?

[fn]

country also important

religion also important



sing if u want to



don't sing if u don't want to



why make an issue?

[Reality.]

country also important
religion also important

sing if u want to

don't sing if u don't want to

why make an issue?

I agree . If you say I dont want to sing thats perfectly fine. But saying that singing a national song hurts your religious sentiments is taking it a bit too far.



Like someone said , it has larger implications. If you can not respect a national emblem, how can you respect the nation. Take the case of kashmir, How do you classify the terrorists - religious matrys or religious zealots?

Care to answer that.

[Reality]

country also important
religion also important

sing if u want to

don't sing if u don't want to

why make an issue?

I agree . If you say I dont want to sing thats perfectly fine. But saying that singing a national song hurts your religious sentiments is taking it a bit too far.

Like someone said , it has larger implications. If you can not respect a national emblem, how can you respect the nation. Take the case of kashmir, How do you classify the terrorists - religious matrys or religious zealots?
Care to answer that.

That line should have read,



If you can not respect a national emblem, you will end up not respecting the nation coz it will end meaning nothing.

[fn]

country also important
religion also important

sing if u want to

don't sing if u don't want to

why make an issue?

I agree . If you say I dont want to sing thats perfectly fine. But saying that singing a national song hurts your religious sentiments is taking it a bit too far.

Like someone said , it has larger implications. If you can not respect a national emblem, how can you respect the nation.

That line should have read,

If you can not respect a national emblem, you will end up not respecting the nation coz it will end meaning nothing.

respecting someone or something doesn't imply bowing is necessary
do u bow in front of some person u respect???

Take the case of kashmir, How do you classify the terrorists - religious matrys or religious zealots?
Care to answer that

i classify them as religious zealots

[Sharjeel]

How in the world can you equate asking a citizen of the country to sing its national song to a situation where students following different faiths are asked to pray in accordance to a certain faith.

It's the same thing. The packaging is different, but the product is the same.

I can almost agree with paris_dakar, but nobody bitches about those stanza, except the attention mongers. Nobody has ever had any problems.

So you are saying that religion comes first and then the country? or is it that only thing that matters is religion?

The country should respect all it's citizens.



It is a purely hypothetical question, because it does not matter.

[smack]

paris_dakar;s reply above reminded me that in my school we were made to sing all the christian songs. Hallelujah and Hail Mary mother of god and several others. We were even forced to go for sunday mass and walk around carrying candles on their festival days.



Big friggin deal. Does it make me a christian?? It was only a lip service.



Vande Mataram?? Achcha nahi lagtaa?? Mat gaao naa yaar. Achcha lagta?? Kapde faad ke nanga naacho. Desh pe prem hai, pay ur taxes, drive responsibly... There are several things u could do to show ur patriotism. Singing a Jana Gana Mana or Vande Mataram does not make any one patriotic. And no citizen in India should have an issue with singing Vande Mataram just because it speaks of Hindu gods.

[HH]

When we can pray, sing praises of the Unseen ... we should welcome songs praising our living & loving gods / goddesses ... our fathers / mothers / forefathers ... of our Motherland!

[Sharjeel]

paris_dakar;s reply above reminded me that in my school we were made to sing all the christian songs. Hallelujah and Hail Mary mother of god and several others. We were even forced to go for sunday mass and walk around carrying candles on their festival days.

Big friggin deal. Does it make me a christian?? It was only a lip service.

Vande Mataram?? Achcha nahi lagtaa?? Mat gaao naa yaar. Achcha lagta?? Kapde faad ke nanga naacho. Desh pe prem hai, pay ur taxes, drive responsibly... There are several things u could do to show ur patriotism. Singing a Jana Gana Mana or Vande Mataram does not make any one patriotic. And no citizen in India should have an issue with singing Vande Mataram just because it speaks of Hindu gods.

'nuff said!

[paris_dakar]

Is religion above or below a country; a piece of land that can be anywhere? so the muslims don't want to sing it, thats ok. my sister went to stanley and she didn't like signing praise the lord everyday! big deal...we are all alive and good.

just the little things in life that we need to bitch about...please don't take that away

I hope you understand the issue before giving your view. How in the world can you equate asking a citizen of the country to sing its national song to a situation where students following different faiths are asked to pray in accordance to a certain faith.

i didn't want to be verbose but the point i was trying to make is that we choose...is there a law that pushes it down our throats? Most of us get the point but some don't so they bitch about it to high hell. pardon my sense of sarcasm when i talked about things to bitch about but thats what the peeps who kicked up this issue are doing.



Its in dire times that the mass of people moves together; and they usually find an entity that keeps their focus. When its good times...its important to keep the fire burning without insisting that it be a huge blaze.



So yeah, i do understand the situation.