New Delhi Bombings

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Your assumptious compulsive state decrees that you splurt hate every where.



Who the f**k told or even implied its a natural reaction and accepted, its your ilks who would want to drive that point, so that the moderates too turn extremists on both sides. And you would sit on the wall and count the score of walled off and walled in....



Veracity of reports, from you who would prefer to bloat on a wrtie up of a single scribe, and still would refuse to accept exerpts of a hrw report to the UN, terming it political motivation.



And one last time, never on all these threads have I ignored plight of oppressed (be it Hindu or Muslim,and thats the point I am trying to drive if you are so concerned about oppression then learn to condemn it in allits forms be it anywhere in the world). The issue that you would want all to beleive is just your fallacy, that I would prefer only to highlight a oppressed Muslim a line that you have gleefully maintained all this while, and tried to portray a distorted image.



And for your statement on "terrorist like you" simple and straight F OFF. , ..!..,

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Who the f**k told or even implied its a natural reaction and accepted, its your ilks who would want to drive that point, so that the moderates too turn extremists on both sides.

So you dont even read your own posts after posting them? In all your posts you have done nothing but justify terrorrism as a natural reaction to oppression and then for the sake of being 'neutral' you blame some saudi or paki despot.

And for your statement on "terrorist like you" simple and straight F OFF. , ..!..,

That is why I tell you to pull your head out of your arse when reading others posts.

And one last time, never on all these threads have I ignored plight of oppressed

Cheppinde cheppara, paachi palla dasara. Read my previous post.

be it Hindu or Muslim,and thats the point I am trying to drive if you are so concerned about oppression then learn to condemn it in allits forms be it anywhere in the world

First learn to raise your voice against attrocitites against your country men by foreigners before talking about attrocities being comitted around the world. Build a proper shack first before you start building a dream castle. Condem terrrorism in all forms my foot.... you wouldnt condemn terrorrism in india without mentioning Israel-palestine in the same breath.

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Its throw a Banana and it will throw one at you story here!!!!



Sit on the WALL......Just by laying blame doesnt make you sound right.



Just some of your quotes:



You just fail to comprehend what others have to say, your compulsive disorder is worth lookig at some of your quotes, even when no one was implying whatever you were thinking and you went splurting around.

I didnt expect this from you. You think that its ok to bomb and kill innocents if you have a grienvance?? You are just being a terrorrist sympathiser. Shame on you.

Who in the world proposed that ? Your presumption.

If in retaliation to thebombing, India nukes pakistan or Indian Hindus massacre Indian muslims, would you still justify the retaliation and say, they are just being forced

We are a nation of cowards. Time and again the enemy kicks us in the nuts and still we extend our hand in peace only to get kicked again. The international community will advice us to excercise restraint and the countless kandle kissers will demand that we dont abandon the peace talks. Why not? None of their kin ever get killed in these acts and the lives of rest of indians dont matter to them. After all we are a billion!
How long are we going to tolerate this? What is the price we are willing to pay to achieve peace?

Have we become so insensitive to terrorrism that 100's of people get killed every year and we still dont demand action?

Some f*cking HINDU MAJORITY COUTNRY this is

If your poor f*cking kashmiri muslims

by your beloved terrorrist brothers

This is the level of discussion you would prefer to have,
To people who complain why do I get back always blaming some one about ranting, above are some examples for starters.

Lemme see you preach the same thing when your family is a victim.

Read this below and come back with what you have to preach if it was your family. For me every Indian is a family and it pains me when and Indian dioes this to another Indian.



They began beating me. They said that we had been feeding the militants. They used electric shocks on my feet. I was raped. They stripped off my clothes and said they would kill me. There were many soldiers and a captain. The captain raped me, keeping everyone else outside. He told me: "You are Muslims, and you will all be treated like this." He was a Hindu, but he told me that he was a Muslim, and that his name was Shahnawaz. He forced me to confess that I had been feeding the militants. This happened on the first night. I was there for fifteen days. Then we were released.



http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/kashmir ... P187_42784





ALL I CAN SAY IS.





If we sit in our own"baja walla" box make a small hole and peep through it, one day we will end up annihilating ourselves.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

This is the level of discussion you would prefer to have,
To people who complain why do I get back always blaming some one about ranting, above are some examples for starters.

hahaha.... I think spending time in making any rational arguement with a dim wit (apologies to the real dimwits) like you is a criminal waste of time. I have wasted enough time on you on other thread and now I know exactly the kind of language you will understand.

You may ask why do I even bother replying to your posts... my posts provoke you to reply and we need a jester like you to give us a hearty laugh everyday!

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the table of contents of the Kashmir conflict pages in the Human Rights Watch website, DQ is quoting from, is given below. we can see that the details of the terrorist atrocities are reduced to 2 short chapters (of 3 to 6 paragraphs).



from this we can really guess the agenda of such "Human Rights" NGOs....they only fight for terrorist rights...



http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/kashmir/

Table of Contents

Summary and Recommendations

Recommendations

Background
Under Siege: Doda and the Border Districts

Rape and Torture in Doda
Extrajudicial Executions in Doda
Militant Abuses in Doda and other Southern Districts

Abuses in the Kashmir Valley

Extrajudicial Executions
"Disappearances"
Torture

Undermining the Judiciary

Detention Practices that Facilitate Abuse
Detentions for Extortion

Abuses Involving Countermilitant Militias
Threats against Human Rights Defenders
Attacks on the Press
The Ongoing Problem of Impunity
Militant Abuses in the Valley
The Applicable International Law

Human Rights Law
International Humanitarian Law

[Mayavi Morpheus]

from this we can really guess the agenda of such "Human Rights" NGOs....they only fight for terrorist rights...

http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/kashmir/

The recommendations takes the cake. Reams and reams of recommendations for government of India, four lines to pakistan and four more to their jihadis and no mention of pakistan occupied kashmir!!! By repeating the lies of 'Azaad Kashmir' again and again, it has become an accepted fact in the international media that Pakistan Occupied Kashmir is a territory of pakistan!

No one highlights the plight of the kashmiris in POK and the Northern areas which are the most neglected in the country. They have been resettled with punjabis and the ethnic profile has been changed so much that the kashmiris now speak URDU rather than kashmiri.



Off-topic: For those who are sending money to kashmiri earthquake victims, think again. Not a single penny is going to reach the affected. All of it will be used to buy weapons for paksitani military. They just signed $1 B deal with sweeden for AWACS ( A day after earth quake) and will soon buy F-16's. No points for guessing where the money will come from. If you want to donate, donate in kind. Send winter clothes, blankets etc.

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from this we can really guess the agenda of such "Human Rights" NGOs....they only fight for terrorist rights...
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/kashmir/

Table of Contents

Summary and Recommendations

Recommendations

Background
Under Siege: Doda and the Border Districts

Rape and Torture in Doda

Extrajudicial Executions in Doda

Militant Abuses in Doda and other Southern Districts

Abuses in the Kashmir Valley

Extrajudicial Executions

"Disappearances"

Torture

Undermining the Judiciary

Detention Practices that Facilitate Abuse

Detentions for Extortion

Abuses Involving Countermilitant Militias

Threats against Human Rights Defenders

Attacks on the Press

The Ongoing Problem of Impunity

Militant Abuses in the Valley

The Applicable International Law

Human Rights Law

International Humanitarian Law

Well said CAD. Guess.



Instead of taking a view from both sides of the coin we will "Guess" what the ulterior motive is?



Starters for a balanced view.

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The recommendations takes the cake. Reams and reams of recommendations for government of India, four lines to pakistan and four more to their jihadis and no mention of pakistan occupied kashmir!!!

You wouldnt want to read and comprehend that too, you likes would prefer to sit in the box and blow your own "baja". Peeping through a "MODI"FIED hole.
I guessed you would come back with a similar response, when you gleefully avoided the query on UN-supervised plebiscite.

What is this Mr Moorwit ?

Off-topic: For those who are sending money to kashmiri earthquake victims, think again. Not a single penny is going to reach the affected. All of it will be used to buy weapons for paksitani military. They just signed $1 B deal with sweeden for AWACS ( A day after earth quake) and will soon buy F-16's. No points for guessing where the money will come from. If you want to donate, donate in kind. Send winter clothes, blankets etc.

Similar line treaded by Modi&Co post Gujrat earthquake. Brainwashed people by claiming that "Minorites are helping their own communities and the majority is left to bear the brunt", one of the reasons of people getting polarised and helping him out to carry on his carnage exactly a year after the Earthquake.



How gross can you get there is a global appeal to help people and at times like this, nitwits like you will sit and splurt.



Why do I reply to you? Have to show a nitwit like you where you stand, and idiots like you talk about national interest.

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The recommendations takes the cake. Reams and reams of recommendations for government of India, four lines to pakistan and four more to their jihadis and no mention of pakistan occupied kashmir!!!

You wouldnt want to read and comprehend that too, you likes would prefer to sit in the box and blow your own "baja". Peeping through a "MODI"FIED hole.

hey! whats wrong with what mayavi said? why cant the "human" rights NGOs come up with Dos n Donts for pakistan and the jihadis...have u ever heard them pour vitriol on those pigs? indian govt need not listen to those hypocrites

I guessed you would come back with a similar response, when you gleefully avoided the query on UN-supervised plebiscite.

:? plebiscite? who is talking abt that here?

Off-topic: For those who are sending money to kashmiri earthquake victims, think again. Not a single penny is going to reach the affected. All of it will be used to buy weapons for paksitani military. They just signed $1 B deal with sweeden for AWACS ( A day after earth quake) and will soon buy F-16's. No points for guessing where the money will come from. If you want to donate, donate in kind. Send winter clothes, blankets etc.

Similar line treaded by Modi&Co post Gujrat earthquake. Brainwashed people by claiming that "Minorites are helping their own communities and the majority is left to bear the brunt", one of the reasons of people getting polarised and helping him out to carry on his carnage exactly a year after the Earthquake.

How gross can you get there is a global appeal to help people and at times like this, nitwits like you will sit and splurt.

wtf does yr reply has to do with what mayavi recommended? he never said dont give aid. he asked to give in kind rather than cash.
dont u read newspapers? pakis have just placed large orders for new weapons and postponed the F-16 purchase owing to adverse international opinion. do u think Pervie prints the currency to buy the new arms?

Why do I reply to you? Have to show a nitwit like you where you stand, and idiots like you talk about national interest.

yes..i am more interested in safety and well-being of indian citizens rather than how happy ppl in far away palestine, pakistan or some godforsaken land are. indians citizens come first in order of preference, and indian domestic and foreign policy wud be guided by this.

[Hard hitting HP]

These acts committed by the very ones who are supposed to be our protectors are deplorable to say the least. And trust me, perpetrators of these acts are dealt with severely. The forces have a very clear cut agenda against such people and a post court-martial dismissal is inevitable.

Is what you beleive, how would you explain this to the person whose wife, mother, sister, daughter has been picked up by the Indian armed forces.

The Same forces out there to protect them from extremists ?

So what more do you want? Should the armed forces be removed from the civilian areas of the state? Would that make life easier for the oppressed?

1. What would be the ratio of the number of acts of oppression committed by the security forces against acts committed by terrorists?

So what are you suggesting here, draw a parallel between the security forces and terrorists?
Evaluate which is the better of two evils.?

Not too sure what you are trying to prove here.

I'll explain. What I'm trying to prove here is that when you quote an article describing some atrocity committed by the Indian armed forces, why do you tend to conveniently ignore the fact that the terrorists too are indulging in similar acts and on a much wider scale? Also, why do you tend to conveniently ignore all the good work that the forces have done in the valley? What good have the jehadis done for the people in the valley?

I'm not trying to prove which is the better of the two evils. For that matter, I don't consider the armed forces as evil in the first place. I've mentioned earlier that for doers of such acts from the forces, there is a stringent punishment. The jehadis are not answerable and accountable to anyone.

2. Without supporting the acts mentioned above, are they justification for killing innocents?

Have I not posted time and again that there is no justification of killing innocents. There can be no reasoning at all Staright and Simple.
All oppressors who kill innocents should be brought to justice.

No doubt you've posted so time and again. But you've also wasted millions of kilobytes of webspace trying to justify that the terrorists are doing what they are because the jews and arabs have a conflict in the middle east; and they're doing so because they're oppressed; and that the forces are committing acts of oppression in the valley and yada yada. So everytime you try to justify the acts of terrorism with your illogical logic, I'll keep asking you the same question.

If crazy nitwits like you are allowed to continue with your propganda, Moditva will prevail. Do you want to read some of the gory incidents of Gujrat?

Now, what does what happened in Gujarat have to do with whats happening in Kashmir? ............................................. Looks like your preoccupation with the middle east has left you completely in the dark about whats going on back home.

This is the indifference I am trying to drive you to buddy. The spread of extremism and creation of breeding grounds for the spread of this extremist ideology.

- Oppression of masses.
- Murder / Rape / annhilation by people in power leads to a sense of insecurity.
- This helps in creating breeding ground for extremists forces to brainwash people, and the scourge will continue.

Well...if the ways of the world were that simple, it wouldn't have been such a messy place after all. Do you think you can compress the causes for terrorism and extremism in three points? In that case, here's your second shot of espresso. There are a lot more factors in play when it comes to terrorism & extremism. Power, Money, Fanatical ideologies just to name a few. Being the modi-baiter you are (something where our views do concur), let me ask you this question in the context of your post. How would you explain the extremism of Modi, Singhal, Togadia and company? Has it come to the fore due to any oppression?

Well....you think India's current problems have a global source? Wake up and smell the coffee!!! And here's some Bru to start with.
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Nowhere do I see the middle east as being even a remote agent in any of these problems............................ If you can't, then speak not a word about it and don't blame me for getting personal.

If foriegn fighters is not an issue in Kashmir, I fail to see where the problem is?
Where do these foriegn fighters draw their blood from, organisation like LET.
How do they (organisations like LET)survive. ?
Well backed and funded by the Saud dynasty - the PAK govt.. (Strong allies of US who is fighting a war against LET and its likes.)

Do you mean to say the jehadis in Kashmir are creating this realm of terror because of the palestine-jew conflict? They're doing so because they're getting paid bigtime. Do you think the Pak govt. is funding organisations like LeT and JeM because of the middle east issue? They're doing so to grab control of Kashmir, potentially, one of the richest states in India.

Just another query if you can explain?

What is UN-supervised plebiscite ?
When was this proposed.?
Why did it not occur?

I'll do so if you care to answer these queries..



What is the UN after all? (In the aftermath of what happened in Iraq)

What locus standus does it have to meddle in bilateral affairs of India and Pakistan? While answering this, tell me how many conflicts the UN has successfully resolved.



MM :



I lay part of the blame for the Kashmir issue on Sardar Patel due to the following reasons.



1. True, he was responsible for what we have remaining of Kashmir. But what we have is more of a liability than an asset.



2. Had the issue been handled with a little more statesmanlike approach, we could have had the whole kingdom and in a much peaceful manner. Instead, Patel, fearing some kind of backlash in the light of the accession of Junagadh and Hyderabad, chose to let things take their own course once a similar situation to those two states, but with the opposite religious equation surfaced. Because of this, valuable time was lost and we were turned to the defensive rather than the offensive during the first jehadi assault in 1948.

[Hard hitting HP]

Similar line treaded by Modi&Co post Gujrat earthquake. Brainwashed people by claiming that "Minorites are helping their own communities and the majority is left to bear the brunt", one of the reasons of people getting polarised and helping him out to carry on his carnage exactly a year after the Earthquake.

Did any of your favourite human rights organisations tell you this? Never did Modi or for that matter any poitician say anything like this. The earthquake was one instance where people of Gujarat came together and helped each other like they had never done in the past. And this too comes from a first-hand experience. I was there when the quake happened.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

I guessed you would come back with a similar response, when you gleefully avoided the query on UN-supervised plebiscite.

I avoided it because there is no point talking logic with a moron like you. I would rather argue with a paki on UN-plebiscite than with a paki in Indian-garb (and no, I am not calling you paki because u are muslim).

But since you are raising the issue so many times, lemme answer it anyway.

First, read the three conditions which UN imposed on pakistan before it can conduct plebiscite. Kashmir is not just kashmir valley (indian part), it also includes pakistan occupied kashmir and Jammu, ladakh (Last two are hindu, buddhist majority respectively).

The first UN condition is that pakistan withdraw its army from the occupied part.

The second condition is that Pakistan withdraw the punjabis and other pakistanis who settled in kashmir altering the ethnicity of occupied kashmir.

The third step would be plebiscite.

Pakistan renieged on its promies and so UN couldnt hold plebiscite in occupied kashmir. On the Indian side of kashmir, we held free and fair elections (Yes, the first election was free and fair, later they were rigged) and the elected leader abdullah declared in the UN that Kashmir is an integral and inseperable part of India. This is same as plebiscite. In the occupied kashmir no elections are held and people dont have a representation and the ethnic profile has completely changed (who do you think are the mirpuri muslims?). This is the reason why pakistan gives only 'moral support' to terrorrists and doesnt demand a UN plebiscite. They probably dont know about closet pakis like you who want to see Indian territory going under their control.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

...and oh, about the aid, find out how the 1974 earthquake funds kickstarted paksitani nuclear program. Dont read any Indian or intl. sources, read paki news papers there are articles aplenty on that subject. But if you still want to contribute money to that terrorrist scum nation, go ahead and do it... being a pious muslim you should contribute to islamic jihad. Thats your duty. Thats what god ordained you to do.

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WHERE THIS NUKING IDEOLOGY COMES FROM



An Agenda for President Bush for efficiently winning the War on Terror in his 2nd term Terrorize the Terrorists



Dear President George Bush,



Congratulations on achieving a much deserved win in the elections. Now President Sir, you need to give a fresh look to our strategy in the war on terror. So far our tactic has been to overpower regimes like those of the Taliban and Saddam in a conventional combat. The enemy stands no chance of prevailing against us in such combat. But once we prevail over the enemy, then starts the second phase of covert guerilla warfare where the enemy snipers and mortar gunners and shoulder fired stinger missile operators can pick up our marines one at a time at their convenience in an endless sniper war. No army howsoever powerful with conventional weapons using conventional war tactics can win such a sniper war. At this juncture when are about to repeat (after the 2004 Presidential elections) the same war strategy in Syria, Iran and then maybe elsewhere, it is high time for us to consider the other option – the Hiroshima option Had we not used this option by bombing Hiroshima and then after a few days bombed Nagasaki, the Japs may never have surrendered that fast and would have taken many more American lives. In today’s War on Terror, instead of sending our marines into Syria and then Iran, Sudan, Somalia, Libya, etc to win a conventional war, only to be bled day by day in a sniper war as is happening in Iraq, we should use the Hiroshima tactic of picking off some cities in the target countries and then setting out terms of surrender to the target Muslim country:



The terms should include (among other terms) the following:



- Lay down your arms, by disbanding your army and police.

- Hand over all weapons to the allied forces at the borders.

- Give up Islam as your religion, and the Quran as your religious book and the Shariah as your lawbook; or else face more Hiroshimas.

- Demolish all your Mosques and Madrasas.

- Ban the use of Hijab, Chador, Burkha by females.

- Ban the wearing of religious caps and growing of beards (a la Ataturk) by males.

- Accept any one of the non-Muslim religions.

- Agree to establish parliamentary democracy and secularism.

- Any non-compliance will lead to more Hiroshimas





Read http://hindutva.org



Shows where MM takes his classes from

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i am sure u forgot to mention the following footer to that ^^^ letter:

Yours Sincerely

- Robin MacArthur

On behalf of the Team of Webmasters
http://www.newsonterror.com

i am sure u also missed the sarcasm wherever they are refering to Bush and the Iraq war...

[DQ]

By trying to pass it off as Sarcasm are you trying to justify whats being penned.



I am sure you would want to turn a blind eye to this rhetoric.

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u want to lend it credibility by taking it seriously? wtf can they do, apart from writing such crap?