For DQ

[So-called RV HP]

I guess I was completely leading the other thread astray. And hence, this new thread.

No.
Did I cheer Pakistan somewhere on these boards?

Well...you said there was nothing wrong in cheering Pakistan, didn't you?

You see these So Called RVs and their ideologies dont need a reason do they ? And the way they are brainwashed, from grade 1 or even lower.
Ask any preppy in one of those RV modulated schools, "Muslims, ah they invaded us, looted us, broke our temples" and that grows as they grow.

Pray tell me...how many such people have you come across as compared to the more rational heads? You see a splinter group with extreme thought-processes everywhere. Talk of it, even you are one of them, though your extremism lies on another side of the sphere.

If so, ..................centrist mindset. And this thread is not the first one when you've called me a so-called RV (everyone around knows what you mean by that), a Modi-bhakt and what not.

Its for this so called mind set that I started the Indoctrination the greates threat thread.
The self perceived beleif that whatever we are doing is right. The thought of either establish a Hindu Rashtra or a Sunnah Rule. Both are dangerous.

And you conveniently choose to ignore whatever I've posted on that thread. And yes...long before you started the indoctrination thread, this is what I had once started. I guess you need to take a look at this.

Now if the Sangh Parivar & ABVP doesn't mean the RSS line of thought, what else does it mean? And would you enlighten me by letting me know which statement of mine shows that I support their stand on the issue?

And if you do not support their stand why take offence when ABVP and the Jamaats actions are questioned?
Do you remember I told you earlier probably you inconsioucly support their stand and hence come up in defence each time their actions are questioned?

Point me to a single instance where I've supported their stand, whether consciously or inconsciously. I've used phrases like "trouble-makers" etc. for them everytime I've mentioned them, haven't I? All I said which made you reach that conclusion was that the comments in question were irresponsible. And I've often repeated why I feel so. And never have those who are arguing with me on that thread come out with why they feel my logic is wrong, you included.

I .................. And now you're blaming me for taking the thread astray?

.... Well this was highligted so that others who are following this thread do not come back at a later stage blaming me for trying to sway this thread.

It also clearly shows that a logical discussion cannot be had with your types, you will continue to dwell in your baja.

Well....maybe I was naive not to have setup an alibi for myself on this. But the fact remains that you raised some questions and I answered them.

Could you please elaborate on what you meant by the part marked in bold above?

Now thers is no cure to your self proclaimed status of a nationlist. and to add to that anybody who doesnt fit your description of nationlist (the RSS definition as you have earlier said) is a traitor.

Thats an opinion only you, and one more newb on the boards carries. You both have a right to your opinions and I can't do anything more to change it if you turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to anything that you don't like to see or hear.

AS for the Paki sympathiser and traitor part, enough has been said on that I don't think it merits any more waste of webspace.

Enough has been said?
No Baseless allegigations have been levelled. And that is what I pray to portray, this ideology of levelling baseless allegations has spread to an alarming exxtent. It is now being used in administration of the state, which should be a cause of concern for every Indian.

Look who's talking - the baseless allegations part.

Let me repeat my self
In a local league match scoring a boundary, and an idiot like you on his way back commented "Paki" even today when he sits his arse would remind him what it meant by terming an Indian a Paki. But since then I have matured enough, let dogs bark is my attitude. Apni galli ko har kutta apna samjhta hain is se koi farak nahi padtha. Galli ka Kutta Galli ka Kutta hi rahega.

So what does that prove?

I never asked you for a defence. As for your posts supporting India, so does Parvez Musharraf at times. And yeah, while you mention those posts of yours, let me also remind you of numerous posts of yours where you have justified terrorist actions in India, all in the name of oppression.

As I told I deem it derogatory to come up in defence against such baseless allegations.
You will continue to dwell in your own baja wont you.
Pray where in the world did you ever find me justifying extremism. My stand has always been condemn extremism in all its forms. Dont be selctive thats it. And if you have failed to comprehend my earlier posts let me categorically state.
- I oppose the loss of innocent lives and strongly condemn extremists activities
- Be it carried out in the name of fight against opression / freedom in Kashmir or anywhere in India
- Be it the accidental shootings by the Indian Military.
- Be it the organised carnage in Gujrat
- Be it the Murder / Rape of Dalits in various parts of India
- Be it the bombings by organisations such as Hamas in Israel.
- Be it the skirmishes by the Israeli forces in the name of defence.
- Be it the Bombings in Newyork, London, Bali, Spain.
- Be it the cluster bombing of nations in the name of "Fight against Terror" or "Operation Liberation"

You have started many threads, and have posted on many more as far as these issues are concerned. And all your posts have to talk about wrong-doings by the army in J&K; the carnage in Gujarat; the atrocities against dalits; the Israeli occupation of Palestine and the actions of the US in Iraq etc.

Tell me one thread that you started or long posts that you posted on these boards which talked about the wrongdoings of the militants in J&K; the reign of terror against innocent civilians by the naxalites & the suicide bombings of the Hamas directed against Israeli civilians again.

Whenever some member tries to show you that side of the coin, you brand them "So-called RV's". Show me one post made by any member of the boards where the acts you choose to throw light upon have been supported.

I don't have the time to sift through the thousands of threads on these boards and pick up the ones that will provide a well-documented base for whatever I'm saying here. But with the exception of newbs here, everybody else has seen what I'm talking about and they'll see a solid base where you choose to ignore it.

The constant baja re iterates that these are the fanatics who would want this unrest to continue so that their nefracious purposes are fulfilled.

Now tell me...what purposes are you attributing to me?

You know how muslims of Indian origin are treated in the country you love. Do I need tell you more about "Mohajirs"?

- yea the country I love is India. Ah yea looks like that is what Modi and his team want to acheive make muslims "Mohajirs" in their own land. Is this your ploy or something?

Let me repeat myself too.

Go to Gujarat and see for yourself. You're living 4 years in the past and cribbing over something that the victims themselves have taken in their stride and moved on with. And I talk on behalf of muslim friends of mine who were victims of the carnage and are back home now. Living life as normally as if nothing had happened.

And if you bring up the cases that you have either pasted from some website or spent hours typing, let me also tell you that the wheels of justice are in motion. No longer can the Gujarat govt. take things complacently as the Supreme Court itself is keeping an eye on the proceedings. And the riot related cases are being fast-tracked. The pace at which they are being carried out is supersonic in the light of the overburdened and overworked judiciary of ours. Now, if you still say that justice is being denied to the victims, it would be a clear case of DISDAIN against the Supreme Court, the flagbearer of the Indian judiciary. Osmaniabiskit - if you are reading this, you'll know why I used the strong word.

Back to topic, Sanias Comment. In the light of above arguements you and the ABVP and the Jamaats are right in their stand. You will interpret any comment to suit your propoganda.

If I have a baja, you are a one man brass band DQ.

[Forgetful HP]

Well....mods are in action...eh?



By the way, I wanted to point out a thread of mine to DQ. Had to search for it and decided to type the entire post before inserting the link. And forgot doing it once this was over. Here's the link.

Its for this so called mind set that I started the Indoctrination the greates threat thread.
The self perceived beleif that whatever we are doing is right. The thought of either establish a Hindu Rashtra or a Sunnah Rule. Both are dangerous.

And you conveniently choose to ignore whatever I've posted on that thread. And yes...long before you started the indoctrination thread, this is what I had once started. I guess you need to take a look at this.

This is the thread I was talking about.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Regarding cheering pakistan in cricket matches and why it is considered unpatriotic: It is not unpatriotic if you cheer pakistan because they have a good cricket team. Many times we find Indians cheering pakistan when they are playing England. It is not unpatriotic at all. But it is unpatriotic when you cheer pakistan(over India) because its a muslim nation. Tell me, honestly, that you havent met any so far who cheers for pakistan over india for this reason? I personally know many who do that and I even know people who think that pakistan is 'watan'.... they are nothing but traitors.

[DQ]

Theres nothing in your post that needs a categorical answer.



About branding you a Fascist.



I guess OB said on the wall, and I second that with refrences to the indoctrination thread. If the way its spreading around India the very many like yourself who inconsiously are supporting the propoganda by sitting on the walls will be part of it.



Now comming back to "Your Likes" I stand by that too, no logical discussion or fair play can go ahead with your thought process. The weapon of instigation that you carry is terming muslims "outsiders" "Pakis".

When I look at the general spectrum I see the likes of Modi, Thackrey resort to the same rhetoric that your likes tend to support.



About cheering I have explained in clearer terms and I refuse to get drawn into the mudslinging cess pit that you would want me to get into. As Mayavi has now repeated what I time and again have said cheering for a Game has nothing to do with patriotism but identifying yourself as a Paki while living in India is an act of a traitor.

Cheering Pak out of respect for that nation is foolishness. Giving it prcedence over Indis is Gaddari.



But again let me reiterate, let this be at the game level and let it not govern our thought process, cause if there are such elements they are the fringe of the fringe. The cause of concern is such incidents are beng used to whip up frenzies and thats where logic fails. (Ah but you will refuse to understand that. You live in the self proclaimed Natiolist Image right every body else is a Gaddar.)



I know of a "Hindu" Jeweller who punts for Pakistan, and is also a major functionary of The VHP. Thats where I see the waters get murky. Could it be that these types use their stand to whip up frenzies and make their buck of during cricket matches. Maybe.





On Gujrat - Normalcy. Who are you trying to convince HP?



For heavens sake dont try to paint that glossy picture with the blood of that many innocent lives. Visit http://www.VHP.org, Visit http://www.ABVP.org, ah and try to read SAAMNA regurlarly you will see what Indoctrination is all about.



Or for that matter read MR RKs comment on pre martial sex thread. Any more examples dig up Mayavis posts on these Boards.

[So-called RV HP]

Theres nothing in your post that needs a categorical answer.

There are a lot of things that need categorical answers. And by chance, they also happen to be questions you find inconvenient and choose to ignore. Force of habit I may say.

About branding you a Fascist.

I guess OB said on the wall, and I second that with refrences to the indoctrination thread. If the way its spreading around India the very many like yourself who inconsiously are supporting the propoganda by sitting on the walls will be part of it.

You keep coming up with this petty allegation about me supporting them. But you've never told me what made you reach that conclusion. Just the fact that I don't subscribe to your views?

Now comming back to "Your Likes" I stand by that too, no logical discussion or fair play can go ahead with your thought process. The weapon of instigation that you carry is terming muslims "outsiders" "Pakis".
When I look at the general spectrum I see the likes of Modi, Thackrey resort to the same rhetoric that your likes tend to support.

Again....what exactly makes you think that I support the likes of Modi & Thackeray? And me and several others have mentioned that you being branded a Paki-lover etc. was for a specific reason. So, don't try wiggling out of it.

About cheering I have explained in clearer terms and I refuse to get drawn into the mudslinging cess pit that you would want me to get into. As Mayavi has now repeated what I time and again have said cheering for a Game has nothing to do with patriotism but identifying yourself as a Paki while living in India is an act of a traitor.
Cheering Pak out of respect for that nation is foolishness. Giving it prcedence over Indis is Gaddari.

So what would you term a muslim living in India celebrating their win over India by bursting crackers? And another prominent muslim living in India distributing sweets in his locality the day Pakistan successfully test-fired the Ghaznavi missile? Would you still say its due to their global identity as muslims? Or would you say that these actions have nothing to do with patriotism?

But again let me reiterate, let this be at the game level and let it not govern our thought process, cause if there are such elements they are the fringe of the fringe. The cause of concern is such incidents are beng used to whip up frenzies and thats where logic fails.

And even the so-called hindu (I use so-called because I don't consider them hindus at all) fundamentalist are also on a fringe. Aren't you too guilty of the same thing as them when you glorify their wrong-doings the way you do? Its just the way you'll see it on the websites & the daily you mention...except for the fact that its on the opposite side of the spectrum.

(Ah but you will refuse to understand that. You live in the self proclaimed Natiolist Image right every body else is a Gaddar.)

Nobody else but you have I termed a Gaddar on these boards. So you stand corrected.

I know of a "Hindu" Jeweller who punts for Pakistan, and is also a major functionary of The VHP. Thats where I see the waters get murky. Could it be that these types use their stand to whip up frenzies and make their buck of during cricket matches. Maybe.

Well...here's a case where he's punting on Pakistan plainly because he finds them a better team that India. I don't see anything wrong in this kind of a support. Whereas what I mentioned above was altogether different. About this guy being a VHP functionary, well...that's his mindset and I don't support that organisation at all. Now don't spin conspiracy theories by mixing what someone does for business with his ideological leanings.

Or for that matter read MR RKs comment on pre martial sex thread. Any more examples dig up Mayavis posts on these Boards.

Someone else doesn't subscribe to your views and he too becomes a so-called RV? Grow up DQ.

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...Someone else doesn't subscribe to your views and he too becomes a so-called RV? Grow up DQ.

thats the problem with him.....either u are with him or with Modi...

[DQ]

Hmm Ok.....Nothing more to be said.



Time and again everything has been expalined. Hav posted a link to AIR interview of Mr Jafrry et etc....but no what you see through the Modised screen is true all else is conspiracy theory ?



Dwell in your own Baja.

[WTF??? HP]

Hmm Ok.....Nothing more to be said.

Time and again everything has been expalined. Hav posted a link to AIR interview of Mr Jafrry et etc....but no what you see through the Modised screen is true all else is conspiracy theory ?

Dwell in your own Baja.

If you know your facts, you'll also know that the Ghaznavi missile was test fired when Narendra Modi was an outcast in Gujarat BJP. That was a time when he was a national general secretary of the BJP, more of a personal secretary to L.K.Advani I'd say. And I know about this incident of distributing sweets as one of my collegues used to stay in Gulmarg society and he was one of those who were offered the sweets. And he was extremely angry about it when he mentioned the incident next day at work.



And its you who continues to ignore reason however true the facts maybe just because it doesn't confirm to your own indoctrination. Had you not been far away down under, I'm sure you'd have been a potential recruit for the likes of SIMI.

[CtrlAltDel]

Hav posted a link to AIR interview of Mr Jafrry et etc....

u seriosuly believe a politician's rhetoric in an interview? ever read the pious interviews given by Modi etc...?



cummon man...u cant be that guillible...



btw, u tell me...how many posts/threads did u make strongly condemning the terrorists in palestine, chechenya and kashmir...u never said anything against them apart from single lines saying things like "...violence by anyone is bad..." etc.



compare that with the vitriol u poured on the Indian Army...

[OsmaniaBiskit]

Hey HP - As promised - Voted 'NO' -

[DQ]

Hmm well here you go again.



A SIMI recruit, wah wah after all its the Muslims terrorists baja that you have been indoctrined with right. The Sangh modulated thought process you have lived with.



Lets clear some more things here.



The credible VHP baja that you want every body to beleive.



Ehsab Jafri. Its your claim the he was enthralled with Paks successful Nuke tests and was a traitor (Baja). Ok lets belive he had done that and was a traitor,



So the citys police will first lead a group of thugs and burn down the Gulmarg society an chop down, kill women and children and chop down a social worker and chop down a VHP approved gaddar.



Is this a democratic Inda that you want to peddle?



Oh what else can be expected of you, the father of the nation has not remained a respectable entity in your views when he has turned into the reason for all present day problems now no one else will remain a indian in your saffronised screen.



Dwell in your own baja.