Facts about our National anthem

[visalandhra]

hello friends,



Some facts about "Jana Gana Mana" - Our National Anthem





Just a thought for the National Anthem! How well do you know about

it? I have always wondered who is the "adhinayak" and "bharat bhagya

vidhata", whose praise we are singing. I thought might be Motherland

India! Our

current National Anthem "Jana Gana Mana" is sung throughout the

country. Did you know the following about our national anthem, I

didn't.

To begin with, India's national anthem, Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka,

was

written by Rabindranath Tagore in honor of King George V and the

Queen

of England when they visited India in 1919. To honor their visit

Pandit

Motilal

Nehru had the five stanzas included, which are in praise of the King

and Queen. (And most of us think it is in the praise of our great

motherland!!!)

In the original Bengali verses only those provinces that were under

British rule, i.e. Punjab, Sindh, Gujarat, Maratha etc. were

mentioned.

None of

the princely states were recognized which are integral parts of India

now

Kashmir, Rajasthan, Andhra, Mysore or Kerala. Neither the Indian

Ocean

nor the Arabian Sea was included, since they were directly under

Portuguese

rule at that time.

The Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka implies that King George V is the lord

of the masses and Bharata Bhagya Vidhata is "the bestower of good

fortune".

Following is a translation of the five stanzas that glorify the King:

First stanza: (Indian) People wake up remembering your good name and

ask for your blessings and they sing your glories. (Tava shubha name

jaage;tava shubha aashish maage, gaaye tava jaya gaatha)

Second stanza: Around your throne people of all religions come and

give their love and anxiously wait to hear your kind words.

Third stanza: Praise to the King for being the charioteer, for

leading

the ancient travelers beyond misery.

Fourth stanza: Drowned in the deep ignorance and

suffering, poverty-stricken, unconscious country? Waiting for the wink

of your eye and your mother's (the Queen's) true protection.

Fifth stanza: In your compassionate plans, the sleeping Bharat

(India)

will wake up. We bow down to your feet O' Queen, and glory to

Rajeshwara

(the King).

This whole poem does not indicate any love for the Motherland but

depicts a bleak picture. When you sing Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka,

whom are you glorifying? Certainly not the Motherland. Is it God? The poem does not indicate that. It is time now to understand the original purpose and the implication of this, rather than blindly sing as has been done the past fifty years. Nehru chose the present national anthem as opposed to Vande Mataram because he thought that it would be easier for the band to play!!! It was an absurd reason but Today for that matter bands have advanced and they can very well play any music. So they can as well play Vande Mataram, which is a far better composition in praise of our dear Motherland -India.Wake up, it's high time!

Shouldn't Vande Mataram be our National Anthem?

PLEASE CIRCUILATE THIS AMONG YOUR BUSINESS & FRIENDS CIRCLE & HELP TO

CREATE THE AWARENESS ABOUT THIS IMPORTANT MATTER!!!!!!!!

[vivek]

This not an important matter at all. What you have written is not confirmed and in fact there are 4 different versions going round. It really does not matter when the song has been adapted as our national anthem. I am sure if what is being propogated about the song is true, it would have been debated in the parliament as well way back in 51. Vande Matarm was supposed to be our anthem but then later it was changed as many felt it was too 'Hindu'. This again is not confirmed.



Lets appreciate our anthem guys, just by issuing a counter arguement none of us will be wiser.



Happy Independence day, if it matter to you

[akhilis2cool]

buzz off visalandhra

[rabbithole]

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[CtrlAltDel]

buzz off visalandhra

nahin yaar...Visa means well...

[akhilis2cool]

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hau hai na ...koi book hona kya? mere ghar ke paasich hai

[akhilis2cool]

buzz off visalandhra

nahin yaar...Visa means well...

[azazel]

buzz off visalandhra

nahin yaar...Visa means well...

hau Akhil bhaai, kaiku bechaare ku kheenchrai khaali-peeli..

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Vivek....Extending your logic, you wouldn't have had a problem with Shitney Spears' songs being cast as a national anthem. Whatever Visalandhra said in the originating post of this thread is true. Tagore was a stooge of the brits just like Nehru. Guess what....the song that you venere as your national anthem today was written to flatter King George so that he had someone to lobby for the Nobel prize for Gitanjali.



I still consider Vande Mataram (Our soul stirring national song by Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyay) as the true National Anthem.



True, since we have an official anthem in Jana Gana.....I still give it the due respect but its analogous to me respecting the President's chair when it had incompetents like Giani Zail Singh occupying it.

[DQ]

Vivek....Extending your logic, you wouldn't have had a problem with Shitney Spears' songs being cast as a national anthem. Whatever Visalandhra said in the originating post of this thread is true. Tagore was a stooge of the brits just like Nehru. Guess what....the song that you venere as your national anthem today was written to flatter King George so that he had someone to lobby for the Nobel prize for Gitanjali.

I still consider Vande Mataram (Our soul stirring national song by Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyay) as the true National Anthem.

True, since we have an official anthem in Jana Gana.....I still give it the due respect but its analogous to me respecting the President's chair when it had incompetents like Giani Zail Singh occupying it.

Crazy nitwits !!!



In 1919, following the Amritsar massacre of 400 Indian demonstrators by British troops, Sir Tagore renounced his Knighthood. Although a good friend of Gandi, most of the time Tagore stayed out of politics. He was opposed to nationalism and miltiarism as a matter of principle, and instead promoted spiritual values and the creation of a new world culture founded in multi-culturalism, diversity and tolerance.



Blaming such a guy to be a flatterer !!!!

[DQ]

If only the so called rastra vadis can understand this phrase.



"According to the true Indian view, our consciousness of the world, merely as the sum total of things that exist, and as governed by laws, is imperfect. But it is perfect when our consciousness realizes all things as spiritually one with it, and therefore capable of giving us joy. For us the highest purpose of this world is not merely living in it, knowing it and making use of it, but realizing our own selves in it through expansion of sympathy; not alienating ourselves from it and dominating it, but comprehending and uniting it with ourselves in perfect union."

[Kenny]

Now shalt the sparks fly

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Crazy nitwits !!!

In 1919, following the Amritsar massacre of 400 Indian demonstrators by British troops, Sir Tagore renounced his Knighthood. Although a good friend of Gandi, most of the time Tagore stayed out of politics. He was opposed to nationalism and miltiarism as a matter of principle, and instead promoted spiritual values and the creation of a new world culture founded in multi-culturalism, diversity and tolerance.

Blaming such a guy to be a flatterer !!!!

He renounced his knighthood in 1919, but does it negate all the sycophancy that existed before that? And does it change the fact that Jana Gana Mana does happen to be a translation of God Save the King/Queen?

"According to the true Indian view, our consciousness of the world, merely as the sum total of things that exist, and as governed by laws, is imperfect. But it is perfect when our consciousness realizes all things as spiritually one with it, and therefore capable of giving us joy. For us the highest purpose of this world is not merely living in it, knowing it and making use of it, but realizing our own selves in it through expansion of sympathy; not alienating ourselves from it and dominating it, but comprehending and uniting it with ourselves in perfect union."

Trying to impress me with words buddy? Let's disseminate what you wrote so that it makes sense to others too.

According to the true Indian view, our consciousness of the world, merely as the sum total of things that exist, and as governed by laws, is imperfect.

The true Indian view? All Indians have a right to their own free will. There is no defined true Indian view.

But it is perfect when our consciousness realizes all things as spiritually one with it, and therefore capable of giving us joy.

What is the IT you are referring to? And what joy are you talking about?

For us the highest purpose of this world is not merely living in it, knowing it and making use of it, but realizing our own selves in it through expansion of sympathy; not alienating ourselves from it and dominating it, but comprehending and uniting it with ourselves in perfect union.

Then how was it different under british rule? Your rationale in dissing the so-called rashtravadis is understandable as for you, the nation doesn't exist at all.

[rainmaker]

A translation of our National Anthem in English:



"You are the ruler of the minds of people,

Dispenser of India's destiny,

Your name rouses the hearts of Punjab, Sindh, Gujarat and Maratha,

Of the Dravida, Orissa and Bengal;

It echoes in the mountains of the Vindhyas and Himalayas,

Mingles in the music of the Yamuna and Ganga,

And is chanted by the waves of the Indian Ocean;

They pray for your blessings and sing your praise;

The saving of all people waits in your hand,

The dispenser of India's Destiny,

Victory, Victory, Victory to you!"



Our National Anthem was originally composed by Rabindranath Tagore in Bengali, but was later translated into Hindi and accepted as our National Anthem on the 24th of January, 1950.

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That "You" could mean God... or the PM (ruler of the minds of the people)? It could also mean every individual who represents his country on the battlefield, science, art or sport. When interpreted like this, it sounds like a perfect anthem to have -- a morale booster for any Indian.



If Tagore had wanted to flatter King George, he would have written it in English itself. Anyway, forget Tagore. When this song was adopted as the anthem in 1950, we were not under British rule... i dont think the people who drafted our constitution (and chose our anthem) were that stupid. they obviously knew what it Really meant.



However, if what Visalandhra says is true, it is unfortunate that we chose Jana Gana over Vande Mataram.

[rainmaker]

Ran another search on Google just now, this what i found:

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The circumstances in which Janaganamana was composed:



``The National Congress people asked Tagore for a poem of welcome. He tried to write it, but could not. He got up very early in the morning and wrote a very beautiful poem, not one of his best, but still beautiful. When he came down, he said to one of us, `Here is a poem which I have written. It is addressed to God, but give it to Congress people. It will please them. They will think it is addressed to the King.' All Tagore's own followers knew it meant God, but others did not.'' (The Indian Express, June 3, 1968)



A similar story has been reported in the biography of Rabindranath "The Myriad Minded Man". This quote itself makes it clear that Rabindranath didn't write that poem in honour of the king. Following are quotes from Rabindranath's letters written to someone who asked him about this controversy.



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Dated: 20.11.1937



A friend, influential in Government circles, had importuned me to compose a song in the praise of the King. His request had amazed me, and the amazement was mingled with anger. It was under the stress of this violent reaction that I proclaimed in JanaganamanaAdhinayaka song, the victory of that Dispenser of India's destiny who chariots eternally the travellers through the ages along the paths rugged with the rise and fall of nations - of Him who dwells within the heart of man and leads the multitudes. That the Great Charioteer of Man's destiny in age after age could not by any means be George the fifth or George the Sixth or any other George, even my `loyal' friend realised; because, however powerful his loyalty to the King, he was not wanting in intelligence.



Dated: 29.3.1939



I should only insult myself if I cared to answer those who consider me capable of such unbound stupidity as to sing in praise of George the Fourth or George the Fifth as the Eternal Charioteer leading the pilgrims on their journey through countless ages of timeless history of mankind.



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For those who like to interpret the song in their own way and find George V in it, here's a translation from the third part of the original poem.



Third Stanza from the original poem (translated by Tagore himself):



"Eternal Charioteer, thou drivest man's history along the road rugged with rises and falls of Nations. Amidst all tribulations and terror thy trumpet sounds to hearten those that despair and droop and guide all people in their paths of peril and pilgrimage. Thou Dispenser of India's destiny Victory, Victory, Victory to thee."



A little logic will help someone to realize that it is not possible to refer to King George V as "eternal" and driver of man's history.

[DQ]

A little logic will help someone to realize that it is not possible to refer to King George V as "eternal" and driver of man's history



Exactly what I want the "SO CALLED" Rastra Vadis to apply!!!



Why is this sudden surge recently to chage history and write it the way you want to see it ?? "MM Joshi types"

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Why is this sudden surge recently to chage history and write it the way you want to see it ?? "MM Joshi types"

that could be true...but we have to accept that the history we know till now is the congress/leftist version, which in turn was derived from the British version. no one knows what actually happened.

[asli_badmash]

Why is this sudden surge recently to chage history and write it the way you want to see it ?? "MM Joshi types"

that could be true...but we have to accept that the history we know till now is the congress/leftist version, which in turn was derived from the British version. no one knows what actually happened.

...That way all the history that one read's is not 100% true. So what are we to beleive. There have always been M.M.Joshi's who have changed the history to suit thier own agendas.



Jana-ganna is a song that has precceded these petty little agendas people are bringing up these days. It is a composition of a great poet, whose desh-bhakti can never be doubted. Even though the literal meaning of the song might suggest that Tagore had written it for the King, it was not so. Poems are hardly to be taken literally. They always have an allegoric way of conveying the main message.



The same goes for Vande matram.. some mullah gave a fatwa that Indian Muslims are not to sing that song as it has references to Hindu dieties.



There will always be Mullahs opposing vande mataram and people opposing the Janna-ganna song. I say to hell with them and anybody who think about bringing ill will onto our nation or breaking our country into peices again. They will find me in the front of the line to kick their arse.

[DQ]

Why is this sudden surge recently to chage history and write it the way you want to see it ?? "MM Joshi types"

that could be true...but we have to accept that the history we know till now is the congress/leftist version, which in turn was derived from the British version. no one knows what actually happened.

...That way all the history that one read's is not 100% true. So what are we to beleive. There have always been M.M.Joshi's who have changed the history to suit thier own agendas.

Jana-ganna is a song that has precceded these petty little agendas people are bringing up these days. It is a composition of a great poet, whose desh-bhakti can never be doubted. Even though the literal meaning of the song might suggest that Tagore had written it for the King, it was not so. Poems are hardly to be taken literally. They always have an allegoric way of conveying the main message.

The same goes for Vande matram.. some mullah gave a fatwa that Indian Muslims are not to sing that song as it has references to Hindu dieties.

There will always be Mullahs opposing vande mataram and people opposing the Janna-ganna song. I say to hell with them and anybody who think about bringing ill will onto our nation or breaking our country into peices again. They will find me in the front of the line to kick their arse.

HELL FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS GUY

[akhilis2cool]

I`ll be there along side u a b

[asli_badmash]

HELL FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS GUY

Thank you very much..

The line to kick arse is forming..

Asli_badmash----DQ----Akhil

Add your names!

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The line to kick arse is forming..
Asli_badmash----DQ----Akhil
Add your names!

*ahem...*

[DQ]

HELL FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS GUY

Thank you very much..
The line to kick arse is forming..
Asli_badmash----DQ----Akhil
Add your names!

Nahi Nahi!! I hope I agree with you is post ke had tak.



Visionary, Visionless (badmash) se agree nahi kar sakta.

[akhilis2cool]

magar arse to kik kar sakte ho na

[CtrlAltDel]

i think Sept 17th is the day Nizam got his arse kicked....we shud celebrate that too...



just think abt it....*shudder...shudder...*....we wud've been under Razakar rule now or else....brrrrr...under...Pakistan...