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by CtrlAltDel » Thu May 20, 2004 11:36 am

Pioneer News Service/ New Delhi>



Did Sonia Gandhi step down from the race to be Prime Minister because her "inner voice" suddenly told her to do so? Why did this "voice" speak now, despite her being elected Congress Parliamentary Party leader and after obtaining letters of support from all allied parties?



Apparently, it was not the "inner voice" but certain queries that could have been put to her by the President of India, custodian of the Constitution, which caused her to withdraw her name. Contrary to attempts by Congressmen and Communists to portray her eleventh-hour

retreat as a "personal decision" spurred by her children, it could be the clarifications apparently sought by President A P J Abdul Kalaam that resulted in the rethink. The President, it is reliably learnt, did not out rightly reject her candidature for the post of the Prime Minister. However, he is believed to have sought certain clarifications on a few points regarding the precise status of her Indian citizenship.



In doing so, he may have referred to some pointed queries referred to him by legal luminaries who met him since the declaration of the Lok Sabha election results.



Article 102 of the Constitution says: "A person shall be disqualified for being chosen as, and for being, a member of either House of Parliament - (d) if he or she is under any acknowledgement of allegiance or adherence to a foreign state."



That probably explains why Ms Gandhi's decision to opt out came only after she emerged from the Rashtrapati Bhawan after meeting the President on Tuesday at 12.30 pm. That could also explain why she did not allow the entourage of allied parties to accompany her for the meeting, contrary to custom.



According to highly placed sources, the President may have conveyed to her that in view of the legal and constitutional queries raised, he would need some more time to examine the matter. Accordingly, there could be no swearing-in on Wednesday, May 19 - a date unilaterally announced by Left leaders and enthusiastically endorsed by Congressmen on Monday without consulting the Rashtrapati Bhawan.



Highly placed sources in the Government told The Pioneer that on the basis of various petitions submitted to him, the President could have sought to clarify a few issues from Ms Gandhi. He is said to have informally communicated to her on Monday evening that certain queries needed to be answered, even as he invited her to have a discussion on Government formation.



On the basis of pleas submitted to him by people like Janata Party leader Subramanian Swamy and BJP leader Sushma Swaraj against any person of foreign origin occupying a top constitutional post, and the legal advice that he had obtained from top constitutional experts, the President could have sought three clarifications from Ms Gandhi. This would be a haunting experience for Ms Gandhi. The BJP leaders had already declared that they would continue to support any form of agitation on the foreign origin issue.



The most damaging clarification that has apparently been sought relates to Article 102 of the Constitution that says: "A person shall be disqualified for being chosen as, and for being, a member of either House of Parliament" on any or more of five possible grounds. Clause (d) of the same Article says"... or is under any acknowledgement of allegiance or adherence to a foreign state". The term "adherence" had to be clarified specifically as Ms Gandhi in her affidavit before the Returning Officer of the Rai Bareli parliamentary constituency had stated that she owned ancestral property, namely portion of a house, in Orbassano, Italy, the country of her origin. This fact of ownership, legal experts say, makes her subject to Italian law in this matter and could be interpreted as "adherence" to a foreign country. Since this portion of the ancestral property was apparently bequeathed to her by her father in his will, she inherited it only after his death.



Article 103 states that "if any question arises as to whether a member of either House of Parliament has become subject to disqualification mentioned in Article 102, the question shall be referred for the decision to the President and his decision shall be final". Clause 2 of the Article says: "Before giving any decision on such question, the President shall obtain the opinion of the Election Commission and shall act according to such opinion." This means that the President is required by the Constitution to undertake an elaborate process of examining the legal and constitutional issues involved. Thus, Ms Gandhi's swearing-in could not happen before the matter was fully clarified and resolved.



Another point that came in the way of Ms Gandhi was Section 5 of the Citizenship Act. Under this, there is a reciprocity provision whereby citizenship granted by India to persons of foreign origin is circumscribed by the rights that particular country confers upon foreigners seeking citizenship there. The crux of this provision of "reciprocity" is that a person of foreign origin, who has acquired the citizenship of India through registration by virtue of marrying an Indian national, cannot enjoy more rights (like becoming Prime Minister), if the same opportunity is not available to an Indian-born citizen in that particular country.



While it is not known whether the President mentioned this, legal luminaries pointed out there could be a further lacuna over the issue of her surrendering Italian citizenship. It is believed that while acquiring citizenship through registration in 1983, she surrendered her Italian passport to the Italian Ambassador in New Delhi but did not obtain a formal notification from the Italian Government that her citizenship of that country had been cancelled.



This might be only a technicality that could be rectified in a few days, but it would have certainly helped the BJP raise the pitch of the campaign once the citizenship issue returned to the fore. Another petition submitted to the President on Tuesday by Sushma Swaraj pointed out that as the Supreme Commander of India's Armed Forces, the President should examine a key issue. It referred to the fact that a Defense or Indian Foreign Service official cannot even marry a foreign national without permission, or must quit his post. How can a person of foreign origin be handed over the nuclear button in such circumstances, Ms Swaraj's petition demanded to know.



What could have prevented Sonia?



Article 102 of the Constitution says: "A person shall be disqualified for being chosen as, and for being, a member of either House of Parliament - (d) if he or she is under any acknowledgement of allegiance or adherence to a foreign state." Sonia Gandhi, in her affidavit, had declared she owned a house in Italy and may thus invite, the term "adherence" of the said provision. Under Article 103, the President is the sole adjudicator on the issue who has to decide on such matter in consultation with the Election Commission.



Section 5 of the Citizenship Act, dealing with the reciprocity clause for a person who registered herself as an Indian citizen, says the said person could not enjoy more rights than those available to an Indian born person in that other country if he/she acquires citizenship of that country, like Italy for instance. The clauses of the Citizenship Act were apparently not fully met when Ms Gandhi relinquished her Italian citizenship.
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by Skeptic » Thu May 20, 2004 1:02 pm

Gaaaaaaaaawd, give it a rest man! If there was anything, however minute, that’s unconstitutional, the SC wud not have cleared the way and BJP wud not have spared the opportunity and got down to gimmickry such as SS shaving her head off (yuck!!) and what not.



The reason I joined this discussion group is I thought one could have unbiased, intelligent discussions with fellows of the same age group …. Not these meaningless hate-talks full of partisan attitudes. U know, when I criticize BJP leaders’ lack of decency, I can at the same time express shock at congress leaders’ obsession and dependence on Gandhi family and their party workers’ hysteria.



Moreover, the amazing thing is almost all the people who write in this group, at least on politics b‘coz I didn’t see other topics, think so similarly, you wud almost think it is one person. :shock: :shock: I find some of the older generation ppl and kids of today more cosmopolitan in their outlook than u guys. Why don’t you simply join BJP…. At least we know who we are talking to…
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Take it easy...

by asli_badmash » Thu May 20, 2004 2:39 pm

Skeptic wrote:Gaaaaaaaaawd, give it a rest man! If there was anything, however minute, that’s unconstitutional, the SC wud not have cleared the way and BJP wud not have spared the opportunity and got down to gimmickry such as SS shaving her head off (yuck!!) and what not.


I agree that our constitution would have prevented any unconstitutional thing from happening. But then there are always laws and by-laws, something called as loop-holes. My stand being, just by the virtue of Sonia Gandhi being the bahu(daughter-in-law) of the Gandhi Clan she cannot rule by default. India is nobodys fathers property. A person occupying the supreme chair should be well versed with the Indian politics, Indian Culture and the ethos. And I am sorry Sonia doesnot qualify... Manmohan singh does. I have always admired the dude.

Skeptic wrote:The reason I joined this discussion group is I thought one could have unbiased, intelligent discussions with fellows of the same age group …. Not these meaningless hate-talks full of partisan attitudes. U know, when I criticize BJP leaders’ lack of decency, I can at the same time express shock at congress leaders’ obsession and dependence on Gandhi family and their party workers’ hysteria.


Welcome to the group, apart from the "partisan talk" we also have lighter topics and topics where you can express your creative talents.

I think you are bit extreme here...

- Every body is allowed to express their ideas, however hatefull they are and I have read other posts by CtrlAltDel, he is a very rational dude. I think you are very wrong about him here.

- Please notice "Pioneer News Service/ New Delhi" This post is not his, I think he wanted to share this article with people at fullhyd. He just posted the News Item, you made an assumption that these are his views. You have been rather presumptous and hurtfull with your words.

- I appreciate your unbaised approach towards Indian politics.

We come here to fullhyd.com to discuss, have a friendly chat and express ourselves, while making friends. I dont think this post of yours is winning you any friends. Even though people would agree with you, They would be turned off by your words. I certainly am!

Skeptic wrote:Moreover, the amazing thing is almost all the people who write in this group, at least on politics b‘coz I didn’t see other topics, think so similarly, you wud almost think it is one person. :shock: :shock: I find some of the older generation ppl and kids of today more cosmopolitan in their outlook than u guys. Why don’t you simply join BJP…. At least we know who we are talking to…




- It might have been a conincidence that people with a similar political view would have written in a topic, but it is not true that all people here think and behave the same way. And I assure you it is definetly not one person. So maybe before you make a statement, you should do your homework.



Calling yourself secular is not enough. Please practise what you preach. Please be tolerant of others views and respect everyone and their view. You might not agree with them, I certainly dont, but I am willing to listen to everyone and so should you be willing to hear to what they have to say.



We in India have the right to express, right to speech and right to sh*t on the road. You dont like it, may be you can do something about it, but being negative in your approach doesnot help anything!



At the end of it all, whatevva Skeptic... :roll:



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by Skeptic » Thu May 20, 2004 3:29 pm

Hmmm... thanks for your good-natured comments and feedback…. and I did realize, when posting the message that I’m not going to be a favourite around here… frankly, believe it or not, I do not mind a discussing things with ppl with diff views…. but when giving an opinion one should be able to see things from all points of view… and secondly one has got to look at facts too (chain mails spread by god-knows-who and speculations are not facts)… but all I see here is congress and SG bashing… mis-placed passions are as harmful to humankind as lack of interest. Racism is not much different from the kind of hate and insecurity that SG’s potential-PMship has generated. Ppl who are ready to go beyond the constitution and the law of the land so easily scare me.



Anyways…. Nice talking to you guys… Have fun…. bye-bye :) .
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