Why are the jews hated all over the world?

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I would like to know the facts, please, based on history. Thanks.

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I find myself admiring the Israelies for the ways in which they handle themselves during times of all those suicide bombings and so much death so constantly. Mossad seems to be really good at being the team that they are there for, nai? Wish to know more on isreal, both positive and the negatives that they have (as every country has).

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A news item from rediff.com on this issue:
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Thirty-five years ago, in September 1968, when the Research and Analysis Wing was established with Rameshwar Nath Kao at its helm, the then prime minister Mrs. Indira Gandhi asked him to cultivate Israel\'s Mossad. She believed relations between the two intelligence agencies were necessary to monitor developments that could threaten India and Israel.
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The efficient spymaster that he was, Kao established a clandestine relationship with the Mossad. In the 1950s, New Delhi had permitted Tel Aviv to establish a consulate in Mumbai. But full-fledged diplomatic relations with Israel were discouraged because India supported the Palestinian cause; having an Israeli embassy in New Delhi, various governments believed, would rupture its relations with the Arab world.
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This was where the RAW-Mossad liaison came in. Among the threats the two external intelligence agencies identified were the military relationship between Pakistan and China, especially after the then Pakistan foreign minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto visited Pyongyang in 1971 to establish a military relationship with North Korea.
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Again, Israel was worried by reports that Pakistani army officers were training Libyans and Iranians to handle Chinese and North Korean military equipment.
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RAW-Mossad relations were a secret till Morarji Desai became the Prime Minister in 1977. RAW officials had alerted him about the Zia-ul Haq regime\'s plans to acquire nuclear capability. While French assistance to Pakistan for a plutonium reprocessing plant was well known, the uranium enrichment plant at Kahuta was a secret. After the French stopped helping Islamabad under pressure from the Carter administration, Pakistan was determined to keep the Kahuta plant a secret. Islamabad did not want Washington to prevent its commissioning.
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RAW agents were shocked when Desai called Zia and told the Pakistani military dictator: \'General, I know what you are up to in Kahuta. RAW has got me all the details.\' The Prime Minister\'s indiscretion threatened to expose RAW sources.
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The unfortunate revelation came about the same time that General Moshe Dayan, hero of the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, was secretly visiting Kathmandu for a meeting with Indian representatives. Islamabad believed Dayan\'s visit was connected with a joint operation by Indian and Israeli intelligence agencies to end Pakistan\'s nuclear programme.
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Apprehensive about an Indo-Israeli air strike on Kahuta, surface-to-air missiles were mounted around the uranium enrichment plant. These fears grew after the Israeli bombardment of Iraq\'s Osirak nuclear reactor in 1981.
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Zia decided Islamabad needed to reassure Israel that it had nothing to fear from Pakistan\'s nuclear plans. Intermediaries -- Americans close to Israel -- established the initial contacts between Islamabad and Tel Aviv. Israel was confident the US would not allow Pakistan\'s nuclear capability to threaten Israel. That is why Israeli experts do not mention the threat from Pakistan when they refer to the need for pre-emptive strikes against Iraq, Iran and Libya\'s nuclear schemes.
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By the early 1980s, the US had discovered Pakistan\'s Kahuta project. By then northwest Pakistan was the staging ground for mujahideen attacks against Soviet troops in Afghanistan and Zia no longer feared US objections to his nuclear agenda. But Pakistani concerns over Israel persisted. Hence, Zia decided to establish a clandestine relationship between Inter-Services Intelligence and Mossad via officers of the two services posted at their embassies in Washington, DC.
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The ISI knew Mossad would be interested in information about the Libyan, Syrian, Jordanian and Saudi Arabian military. Pakistani army officers were often posted on deputation in the Arab world -- in these very countries -- and had access to valuable information, which the ISI offered Mossad.
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When young Israeli tourists began visiting the Kashmir valley in the early nineties Pakistan suspected they were Israeli army officers in disguise to help Indian security forces with counter-terrorism operations. The ISI propaganda inspired a series of terrorist attacks on unsuspecting Israeli tourists. One was slain, another kidnapped.
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The Kashmiri Muslim Diaspora in the US feared the attacks would alienate the influential Jewish community who, they felt, could lobby the US government and turn it against Kashmiri organisations clamouring for independence. Soon after, presumably caving into pressure, the terrorists released the kidnapped Israeli. During negotiations for his release, Israeli government officials, including senior intelligence operatives, arrived in Delhi.
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The ensuing interaction with Indian officials led to India establishing embassy-level relations with Israel in 1992. The decision was taken by a Congress Prime Minister -- P V Narasimha Rao -- whose government also began pressing the American Jewish lobby for support in getting the US to declare Pakistan a sponsor of terrorism. The lobbying bore some results.
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The US State Department put Pakistan on a \'watch-list\' for six months in 1993. The Clinton administration \'persuaded\' the then Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to dismiss Lieutenant General Javed Nasir, the then director general of the ISI. The Americans were livid that the ISI refused to play ball with the CIA who wanted to buy unused Stinger missiles from the Afghan mujahideen, then in power in Kabul.
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After she returned to power towards the end of 1993, Benazir Bhutto intensified the ISI\'s liaison with the Mossad. She too began to cultivate the American Jewish lobby. Benazir is said to have a secret meeting in New York with a senior Israeli emissary, who flew to the US during her visit to Washington, DC in 1995 for talks with Clinton.
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From his days as Bhutto\'s Director General of military operations, Pervez Musharraf has been a keen advocate of Pakistan establishing diplomatic relations with the state of Israel.
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The new defence relationship between India and Israel -- where the Jewish State has become the second-biggest seller of weapons to India, after Russia -- bother Musharraf no end. Like another military dictator before him, the Pakistan President is also wary that the fear of terrorists gaining control over Islamabad\'s nuclear arsenal could lead to an Israel-led pre-emptive strike against his country.
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Musharraf is the first Pakistani leader to speak publicly about diplomatic relations with Israel. His pragmatic corps commanders share his view that India\'s defence relationship with Israel needs to be countered and are unlikely to oppose such a move. But the generals are wary of the backlash from the streets. Recognising Israel and establishing an Israeli embassy in Islamabad would be unacceptable to the increasingly powerful mullahs who see the United States, Israel and India as enemies of Pakistan and Islam.

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There is book called \'The Protocols of the Zion\' by Henry Ford. This is available in USA. Please read it and then let us know your comments.

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Israel offers support to India to fight terrorism:
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Pledging to fight global terrorism, Israel on Tuesday offered India both material and moral support in fighting the menace.
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\"We can train and teach and supply material we have developed in fighting terrorism. We have developed a very advanced technology...,\" Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Yosef Lapid told reporters after a meeting with All India Anti-Terrorist Front chairman M S Bitta.
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Observing that India and Israel have common problems like terrorism, he said the two countries can help each other in fighting this new, global menace.
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\"In Israel we have a great deal of experience [in fighting terrorism]. So have you,\" he said, adding that a great deal of suffering has been caused by terrorism all across the world.
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Lapid said the US has learnt a \"very bitter lesson\" and now it\'s time for Europe to be cautious.
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Supporting the idea of opening an anti-terrorism training institute in India, Lapid said it is necessary to study the menace scientifically.
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The visiting dignitary was presented a yellow turban, a sword and a memento after he took a pledge along with the AIATF chairman to fight global terrorism and strive for peace and harmony.

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I really don\'t think they are hated all over the world. What makes you think so ? Some of the best scientists like Einstein were Jews. They have done great work in science and technology.

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Thanks B, I shall get to read that book. Hitler\'s Germany hated them, most of the muslim countries do (or is it all the muslim countries? Is this based on religion?). And, in earlier periods of time they had been the targets of severe hatred among the Christian countries too. I\'m trying to recollect. Wish I could give you more info how this thought came to me . I myself am trying to collect those and put them into perspective. That\'s how I asked for info from you all.
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Today, Isreal is so beaten up, politically, emotionally, psychologically... by so many countries. In spite of so many bombings, I rarely see the compassion that they are in need of from the rest of the world. Instead they are restrained, whereas US went into an immediate strike with one similar blow! I have no qualms over US warring over the terrorists and its own safety, but why stop Isreal (oh, yeah, it stopped India too for that matter!)?

[Kulcha Hyderabadi]

Let\'s take a look into the history of this conflict.
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Jews and Palestine, by Gandhi - From Harijan, July 21, 1946
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Hitherto I have refrained practically from saying anything in public regarding the Jew-Arab controversy. I have done so for good reasons. That does not mean any want of interest in the question, but it does mean that I do not consider myself sufficiently equipped with knowledge for the purpose. For the same reason I have tried to evade many world events. Without airing my views on them, I have enough irons in the fire. But four lines of a newspaper column have done the trick and evoked a letter from a friend who has sent me a cutting which I would have missed but for the friend drawing my attention to it. It is true that I did say some such thing in the course of a long conversation with Mr. Louis Fischer on the subject. I do believe that the Jews have been cruelly wronged by the world. \"Ghetto\" is, so far as I am aware, the name given to Jewish locations in many parts of Europe. But for their heartless persecution, probably no question of return to Palestine would ever have arisen. The world should have been their home, if only for the sake of their distinguished contribution to it.
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But, in my opinion, they have erred grievously in seeking to impose themselves on Palestine with the aid of America and Britain and now with the aid of naked terrorism. Their citizenship of the world should have and would have made them honoured guests of any country. Their thrift, their varied talent, their great industry should have made them welcome anywhere. It is a blot on the Christian world that they have been singled out, owing to a wrong reading of the New Testament, for prejudice against them. \"If an individual Jew does a wrong, the whole Jewish world is to blame for it.\" If an individual Jew like Einstein makes a great discovery or another composes unsurpassable music, the merit goes to the authors and not to the community to which they belong.
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No wonder that my sympathy goes out to the Jews in their unenviably sad plight. But one would have thought adversity would teach them lessons of peace. Why should they depend upon American money or British arms for forcing themselves on an unwelcome land? Why should they resort to terrorism to make good their forcible landing in Palestine? If they were to adopt the matchless weapon of non-violence whose use their best Prophets have taught and which Jesus the Jew who gladly wore the crown of thorns bequeathed to a groaning world, their case would be the world`s and I have no doubt that among the many things that the Jews have given to the world, this would be the best and the brightest. It is twice blessed. It will make them happy and rich in the true sense of the word and it will be a soothing balm to the aching world.
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Panchagani, July 14, 1946
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Interview to Reuter, by Gandhi - From Harijan, May 18, 1947
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What is the solution to the Palestine problem?
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It has become a problem which is almost insoluble. If I were a Jew, I would tell them: \"Don\'t be so silly as to resort to terrorism, because you simply damage your own case which otherwise would be a proper case.\" If it is just political hankering then I think there is no value in it. Why should they hanker after Palestine? They are a great race and have great gifts. I have lived with the Jews many years in South Africa. If it is a religious longing then surely terrorism has no place. They should meet the Arabs, make friends with them, and not depend on British aid or American aid or any aid, save what descends from Jehovah.
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Answer to Question by United Press of America, by Gandhi - From The Bombay Chronicle, June 2, 1947
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What do you feel is the most acceptable solution to the Palestine problem?
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The abandonment wholly by the Jews of terrorism and other forms of violence.

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Editorial in Jeruasalempost: Seek India\'s support
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Several months ago, while visiting Washington, Indian National Security Adviser Brajesh Mishra addressed members of the American Jewish Committee and recommended that free societies join hands to combat terrorism.
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He noted that India, America, and Israel are all targeted by the terrorist scourge, and ought to develop \"multilateral mechanisms to counter it... Such an alliance would have the political will and moral authority to take bold decisions in extreme cases of terrorist provocation... It would not get bogged down in definitional and causal arguments about terrorism. Blocking financial supplies, disrupting networks, sharing intelligence, simplifying extradition procedures - these are preventive measures which can only be effective through international cooperation based on trust and shared values... Terrorist attacks against innocents have no justification.\" We can only wish such forthright views were articulated elsewhere as well.
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They powerfully contrast with the equivocation exhibited by Western Europe.
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India\'s attitude of late is refreshing indeed. We remember its opposition two years ago to the virulent anti-Semitism at the UN\'s misnamed World Conference Against Racism in Durban, South Africa. We hope to hear more of the same in unhesitant, courageous tones.
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It\'s against this backdrop that Ariel Sharon sets off on Monday on the first state visit to India by an Israeli premier. The visit is regarded as a milestone both here and in India, the first of its kind since the establishment of full diplomatic relations in 1992. It will mark the achievement of a new dimension in bilateral relations, now coming to full bloom, turning India into one of Israel\'s main allies.
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It hasn\'t always been so. Though both countries threw off the British yoke nearly at the same time, India snubbed the Jewish state for over four decades and was often no less hostile than the Arabs. During the Cold War, India sided with the USSR and led the \"non-aligned\" nations. That meant close links with the Arab world, underscored by dependence on its oil.
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The collapse of the Soviet Union, India\'s ally and premier military supplier, was initially a blow. However, India was quick to reorder its priorities and rebound impressively. It decentralized its economy and turned its face westward. The result was unprecedented development and new openness. The 1991 Gulf War reduced Arab clout and led to a dialogue with Israel. On January 29, 1992, Prime Minister Narasimha Rao overruled objections and normalized relations with Israel.
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Things haven\'t been the same since. Ties in agriculture, hi-tech, communications, science, and commerce flourished. Thriving trade reached the billion dollar mark in 2002. Joint ventures abound. Common security interests deepen military cooperation. Israel is now India\'s second-largest arms supplier, exceeded only by Russia, with whom India experiences growing difficulties.
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Israel is reported to have put its expertise in repulsing border incursions at India\'s disposal. Indian soldiers have received anti-insurgency training from Israel.
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Sharon is expected to sign a deal whereby Israel will supply India with the Phalcon early warning system, Israel\'s largest-ever export deal, worth an estimated billion dollars. The US has recently given it the green light, as the Phalcon incorporates American technology. India has also expressed interest in Israel\'s Arrow anti-ballistic missile system.
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Close ties have proved mutually beneficial, underscored by the fact that both countries boast ancient cultures and vibrant democracies. There has long been a minuscule Jewish presence in India, happily encountering no anti-Semitism. Finally, both countries face the ongoing threat from fanatic Muslim fundamentalism and terrorism. In absolute numbers more Indians have been murdered in terrorist atrocities than in any other country. In proportion to population size, more Israelis have been murdered in terrorist outrages than in any other country.
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This shared interest cements Israeli-Indian ties, which perhaps constitute Israel\'s greatest foreign relations coup. It\'s important that Israel shows it can make friends other than America and Micronesia in this unfriendly world, and especially secure the cooperation of an emerging power. It\'s important for Israel to demonstrate that relations with it needn\'t be concealed like a dark, illicit assignation. They should be seen and heard, which is why it\'s good that Sharon is accompanied by a large entourage.
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We hope that the visibility of this trip will be matched by the visibility of Indian support in international forums. The continuation of the knee-jerk support of the \"non-aligned\" movement for the Arab bloc over the past few decades should not be accepted as a tolerable nuisance. We have gotten used to the automatic majorities in the United Nations for almost any conceivable anti-Israel resolution. But the fact that we know nothing else does not mean that such international isolation is cost free far from it.
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Sharon should suggest to our new Indian friends it is difficult for us to help them fight off terrorism while we remain diplomatically chastised for fighting the terrorism directed against us. We have the right to expect the mutual support of kindred democracies. We should actively seek this support from the world\'s most populous democracy.

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If this is true that the Israelis took over the Palestinian land, and hence the Israeli Jews are hated, how come the Jews in Hitler\'s Germany were sent to concentration camps, Kulcha bhayya? There\'s another issue that is occurring to me as I am reading the news. Why are some Indians so against Sharon\'s visit to India? Why so many strikes and dharnas? When did it become so important that one country should not occupy part of another country? And if it has become so, suddenly, then why did we welcome Clinton with so much of gusto? Why did we not show our anger towards Mushharaf\'s visi ? Here Musharraf took our own Kashmir and we were falling all over each other in extending our friendship to him and his country! Why is Palestine more special than Kashmir that we are going all out to show our displeasure by calling Sharon names and all, when all he is doing is protecting his country from suicide bombings of the innocents? Incidentally, we too should have done that ages back with Pakistan, right? They would have maintained their distance with us, not play cat and mouse games with us.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Talking about Jews, they have got some of the best minds in the world. They are very good in fundamental physics (which before 1990 was a Russian domain). Israel alone publishes half of the papers in fundamental research every year (may not be half, but surely more than US, China and India put togather). Jews are excellent businessmen. Before the arrival of Indians in Diamond trade, Jews controlled nearly the entire Diamond market (now this has changed, 80% of the worlds processed diamonds pass through Indian hands at some stage of processing). But the diamond mining is entirely controlled by Jews. Heard of De Beers anyone?
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Jews also control 70% of American media, almost 80% of Hollywood and nearly 50% of the underworld and Las Vegas. [Indian americans control 0% of Hollywood and underworld, but Indian American trade in US amounts to $300 Billion! Yes, you heard me right.
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Jews of Israel have one of the world\'s highest per capita income ($18,000), their economy is good with good health care facilites, and a telephone density of 45/100 people (indicates connectivity). Israel has one of the world best military equipment and Israel recieves almost $2 Billion from USA every year for purchase of equipment. Einstein was promised US support to Isreal in exchange of his making the Atomic bomb during WWII. Most of the research Israel does is funded by US (examples are Arrow ABM, PAC3 ABm, Phalcon Awaacs and countless other equipment).
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Israel and India, commonalities: Both India and Isreal have many commanalities. India achieved freedom in 1947 while Israel was formed in 1948 (it\'s a different matter that Isreal is a developed country while India is still a developing country and sometimes even considered a thirdworld counry which is synonymous with poor). Both India and Isreal are surrounded by countries which don\'t like their existence (Arab world doesn\'t like a Jewish nation, and Pakis, Chinkis and Beedis don\'t like India, which is a Hindu Majority). Both are plagued by cross border terrorrism problems and the International community always supports the terrorrist nations (Pakistan in our case and the Arab world in case of Israel, but US supports Israel, the forked tongue that US is). India has a small jewish population.
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Problems Israel faces: Israel was formed by dividing the Palestine state, which was under British control and in the ensuing war Israel occupied a major chunk of Palestine driving away its population which is muslim in its entirety. This has resulted in brewing hatred against Israel and the formation of terrorrist orgainsations like Hamas which receive support from Arab nations.
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FROM A MORAL POINT OF VIEW ISRAEL IS WRONG. BUT WHAT HAMAS ARE DOING IS FAR FROM RIGHT. There were talks between Israel PM and Palestine President Arafat sometime back in 1997 and it almost resolved the problem, Israel agreed to concede 96% of the territory ocupied by it. Both recieved the Nobel prize for it but something went wrong and the agreement was never implemented. They are back to square one.
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Given today\'s world order, we shouldnt keep morals aside, and our concern should be India\'s safety first, then Palestine. We are in desperate need of state of the art military equipment (EW stuff, Missiles and guns). We need that stuff to save Indians - Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Christians and Jews - from Pakistan and China, both sponsoring terrorrism in India. The bombs which Paki terrorrists detonate in India do not ask for religion before killing us. They kill Hindus as well as Muslims, and to prevent this we need Israel\'s help.

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That\'s a very good point. This topic fascinates me very much. To know why Jews are hated all over the world, you need to go back much much into the past.
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Abraham (Jews and Christians) or Ibhrahim (muslims) is considered to be the father of the three faiths. According to Genesis, Abraham broke with tradition in a major way by leaving his father\'s land and following a \"new\" God. Later he and his previously infertile wife, Sarah, were blessed with son Isaac. But not before Abraham had fathered Ishmael by his concubine, Hagar.
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Isaac, who narrowly escaped becoming a human sacrifice as part of Abraham\'s devotion to God, became the father and icon of the Jews. To Muslims, Ishmael is the hero; they believe he was the intended sacrifice. Christianity, as an outgrowth of Judaism, reveres Abraham and Isaac alike.
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\"Abraham\" explores this man, a patriarch, to adherents of three religions that often find themselves at odds with one another. Many scholars and lay people believe that at the heart of the ancient rift between Jews and Muslims is the Isaac-Ishmael rivalry. Genesis reports that at Sarah\'s urging, Abraham sent his concubine, Hagar, and son Ishmael into exile -- and certain death -- in the desert. But Hagar\'s faith caused God to spare her and Ishmael; they were provided the miracle of water in a dry place.
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Later, Genesis says, God called Abraham to sacrifice Isaac but spared him at the last second. Judaism considers the call to sacrifice a sign of favor; that the favored son would be the \"sacrificial lamb\" is considered a blessing. Many Muslims believe that instead of Isaac, it was Ishmael who was favored and chosen as the intended sacrifice.
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Isaac became the father of the Jews; Ishmael the father of the Muslims. This is the root cause for hatred. Further, Christians believe a Jew was responsible for Christ crucification. This was the cause of initial conflict among Jews-Christians although is not anymore.
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Jeruselam is the holy land for the three faiths and is the bone of contention to the present day. Apart from this, from ancient times Jews were primarly into money-lending. Even to date they excel in financial sector. Most big businesses in NY are run by Jews. Jews were very shrewed when it comes to money matters. They would lend money on higher interest rates and would not exempt the interest even in times of famine and hardships. Although it was business for them, they were hated for their policies.
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Jews are hated partly due to historical events as well as their practices in recent times. That\'s my cent. I wrote from what ever I read and understood. There may be some discrepancies in this. If any, please forgive me and I don\'t intend to harm or malign any faith/sect.

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An interesting reading, BH . There are some aspects which I was not aware of and some I was not clear on. Getting to know them as I am reading you guys\' messages and through the internet. Thanks for your input.

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excerpts from a post at http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=35248 :
<br>Today, thousands of books and articles in many
<br> languages describe the supposed sub-human
<br> character and dark machinations of Jews. Think
<br> tanks devote years to the painstaking revision of
<br> history to eliminate or downplay the Nazi
<br> Holocaust. Newspapers throughout the Middle
<br> East and elsewhere regularly publish diatribes
<br> condemning Jews as Satan\'s cannibalistic
<br> offspring.
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<br> Palestinian children are taught, virtually from
<br> birth, that Allah desires beyond all else that they
<br> blow themselves up in the flower of their youth
<br> while inflicting as much pain, torture and death as
<br> possible on people they\'ve never met.
<br> Self-righteous pseudo-Christians excoriate Jews
<br> for murdering Christ and pretending they\'re
<br> \"God\'s chosen.\" Card-carrying,
<br> underdog-defending, racist-hating \"leftists\"
<br> fulminate over the brutal \"apartheid\" regime in
<br> the \"racist\" pariah state of Israel.
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<br> Why? ..
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<br>former Libyan Prime Minister Abd Al-Hamid
<br> Al-Bakkoush wrote an astonishingly honest
<br> article last year in the London-based
<br> Arabic-language daily Al-Hayat, in which he
<br> revealed what\'s really wrong with the
<br> Arab-Muslim world today:
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<br> While the nations of Western
<br> civilization ... deal with their
<br> problems one by one, and while we
<br> monitor their ceaseless efforts to
<br> come up with solutions and remove
<br> the obstacles blocking their
<br> progress while unhesitatingly
<br> exposing their flaws and problems
<br> – we, [always], continue to distort
<br> our problems and hide our flaws ...
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<br> Furthermore, we continue to
<br> convince ourselves that those who
<br> progress are merely nations full of
<br> problems and flaws. We have
<br> always acted as if our problems and
<br> flaws do not exist as long as we can
<br> hide them behind the smokescreen
<br> of memories of [ancient
<br> Arab-Islamic] civilization with its
<br> lofty values, of which all that
<br> remains are sermons in the
<br> mosques and media products ...
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<br> We have become a nation that
<br> celebrates helplessness, exults in
<br> victory in time of defeat, marks
<br> achievements at times of failure,
<br> and takes pride in its ability to hide
<br> its defects by arguing perfection ...
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[peeping tom]

yours is an excellent question.
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The answer is simple. Any minority community who dominates the majarity community financially, socially, administratively, culturally, will definitely earn the volcano(jealosy) of the majority people. By history the Jews dominated Europe and Americas. The jealosy of the majority Germans burnt them alive for a while. This is a phase of cycle in history.
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Take in case of India. The jealosy earned by Brahmins in 5000 years time is burning them now. (including me)
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A marwadi who earns money in other areas will definitely earn the jealosy.this at times leads to crimes also.
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It is better that any community or group should progress slowly not affecting others too much.