Is it high time for us to abolish the RESERVATIONS for SC, S

by **Arch** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 6:49 pm

..and the rest of the reservations which are NOT based on one\'s performance? I feel it is high time. We need to abolish these practices and recognise the truly meritorious and put them in the right places for a better nation.

by **Suhasini** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 7:45 pm

I think its time. After all, the reservations are not being used in a proper way. The needy are still in the need. And those who have enough to live happily are using these reservations. If v want to improve the overall academic standards, v need to go ahead and abolish them. After all whats the need of them in highly competitive exams like IIT. One who is able to come in reserved category at that level will b able to sustain without them by getting a seat at state level.

by **popesmokesdope** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 8:11 pm

One of the greatest malaises of modern india has to be the policy of reservations in education and employment. 
These reservations which are for the backward-downtrodden
castes and tribes of India (chiefly of the hindu religion)
have systematically decimated the intellectual core of our country. The backward and downtrodden have manipulated and abused what was supposed to uplift them and have reduced everything to a state of total apathy. We can no longer rely on the doctor who treats us at the hospital or the engineers running the electricity supply of our town. This is a simplistic viewpoint rather a plaintive overture about something I feel has affected us a lot more than communal disharmony. It is this that has resulted in brain drain, a lack of humanitarian values and the disenchantment of minorities (reservations do not benefit muslims, christians etc. who have to be equally disillusioned along with the general category of hindus). While other countries do have laws that benefit the socially deprived and under-privileged, nowhere are they as blatantly unjust as in our nation. It\'s time we said, \"Enough is enough.\"

by **Arch** » Sat Jul 12, 2003 12:15 am

Hey, psd, long time. a pleasant surprise. Yes. I did come across so many of the \'best\' of the brains studying so \'very hard\' and not getting the seats in the chosen fields in any of the professional colleges and the most stupid of the guys getting in and making fools of themselves and the professors and the system for the next 6-14 years, and then the fellow citizens for the rest of their lives. So much for the reservations, huh?!! As I think back, I find so many of the fallouts on the minds and personalities of these reservation candidates and ofcourse on the general candidates too.

by **Z C** » Sat Jul 12, 2003 11:33 am

In 1998, the topper of ECET-Electrical (for polytechnic students to enter engineering colleges) was not given admission in REC Warangal, saying that there is only one seat every year(reserved for SC/ST this time, next time it would be in the open category) for polytechnic students to join main stream engg at RECW and was ask to join the part-time course. He went to court and the court said, \"Add one more seat in open category - if the topper can\'t get admission and blah, blah, blah...\" All this procedure has taken more than one year. In the meantime, this fellow has appeared for the entrance again and got the second rank this time. Luckily the topper didn\'t choose RECW, and he could join. He lost one year and suffered a lot of mental tension... Why should I return to India? Yes, the society has given me something, but it has taken away my life/my career by giving me less than what I actually could have got. The deal is over, to put it bluntly.

by **Shyam.** » Sat Jul 12, 2003 2:14 pm

Well, I think we can do away with reservations in Jobs. But reservation in Education is still needed.
 A lot of you are talking about poor quality in engineers and doctors because of reservations. But I am surprised to see that none of you are mentioning the horrible stuff that is becoming Engineers and Doctors because of Donations.
 
 The idea behind reservations is to bring all the sections of the society to a certain level from which they can contribute to the society.

by **Shyam.** » Sat Jul 12, 2003 2:17 pm

I know I will receive a lot of bricks for my post. Well you are welcome. I have my thinking behind what I wrote. I will share it with you.
 I hope we will share our ideas and can understand the things better.

by **peeping tom** » Sat Jul 12, 2003 6:18 pm

basically reservation policy was initiated to lif the people who were kicked nicely and properly because of their caste and colour.if a person is born with black colour and with negroid face he was neglected by the society. he was told to take and work with real SHIT.only in Hindu religeon this race barrier is official. all those black colored people(sorry to somebody) were suffering for 2000 years. idiots like MANU has written dangerous laws to kick the black colored people. idiots like ARJUN were harrasing Ekaliva to sacrifice the fingers.I think this racism started by the original Aryan tribes. 2000 years ago these barbarians drove all black colored dravids to the southern extreme of the country.those who remained still in north were called as tribals. can you see so many black coloured people in bihar, madhyapradesh, orissa. still in these states these early dravids are insulted in the name of SC, ST etc. still mishras in orissa and bumihars in bihars are domonating. why this shit. its ok. everybody know that this hatred of aryans against the dravidians spread amongst(within) aryans. that is why still we see castism amongst aryan fellows.you see srilanka now. the sinhalas claimed themselves as aryan race and opening usual barbarism against the hindu drvidians of northern srilanka.you see this is basically an ethnic war(shit). RESERVATION STARTED BASICALLY TO HEAL THE 2000 YEAR OLD WOUNDS OF BLACK COLORED PEOPLE OF INDIA.but reservation now goes in a wrong way. it now BENEFITS ONLY THE CREAMY LAYER OF SO CALLED LOWER CASTE. beleive me all debater I the PEEPING TOM born to BRAHMIN parents lost almost my life because of reservation policy. in the year 1987 i could not join the BE(electronics) course in the prestigeous coleege of Anna univarsity chennai. but still we have to analyse the reservation not totally ban it.

by **Arch** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 11:56 pm

I know of so many \\\'could-have-been-excellent\\\' doctors, engineers, managers, professors and etc working as underdogs accountable to the lesser knowledgeable.. and I also know of several doctors, engineers, managers, professors and clerks and etc, who stink at their work. Both are thrown out into the society to serve the public. Imagine the havoc that is being caused amongst us, within and without. Hats off to whoever thought that its ok if SC/ST/BC get 30 % and are equivalent to those of the general students who get 90 plus %. Whoa ! whatever were they thinking !!!? Could this be the elders\\\' wisdom ? .. in the name of justice?!! How ?!! It scares me to think of the cycle of infuriation that they are creating by these reservations... Those of which are based on some of our \\\'ancestors\\\' suffering ages back at the hands of some of our other ancestors\\\', in turn leaving the present generation anguished and the society as whole, a victim. All in the name of justice !!

by **Arch** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 11:56 pm

I know of so many \\\'could-have-been-excellent\\\' doctors, engineers, managers, professors and etc working as underdogs accountable to the lesser knowledgeable.. and I also know of several doctors, engineers, managers, professors and clerks and etc, who stink at their work. Both are thrown out into the society to serve the public. Imagine the havoc that is being caused amongst us, within and without. Hats off to whoever thought that its ok if SC/ST/BC get 30 % and are equivalent to those of the general students who get 90 plus %. Whoa ! whatever were they thinking !!!? Could this be the elders\\\' wisdom ? .. in the name of justice?!! How ?!! It scares me to think of the cycle of infuriation that they are creating by these reservations... Those of which are based on some of our \\\'ancestors\\\' suffering ages back at the hands of some of our other ancestors\\\', in turn leaving the present generation anguished and the society as whole, a victim. All in the name of justice !!

by **mrk** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:25 am

Its time to abolish reservation politics and politicians.

by **Z C** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 2:00 pm

Arch, it appears that u have left India long back. The qualifying is not 30 %. There are times when people who got Negative marks in EAMCET joined Engg colleges. Our great govt then abolished negative marking ;-)

O:)!!!

by M » Mon Jul 14, 2003 2:01 pm

Thanx Arch, i was thinking of starting this topic for 1-2 weeks ...
 
 Last year for entrance into the top 5 universities in AP (REC,JNTU,OU,CBIT .... the least ranked for UpperCaste MALE student is something between 750-1000 in top courses .... whereas a SC FEMALE student ranked 135000 around got into the same college & course ...
 
 Does it make any sense ... i am not against SC,ST,BC,Minorities or Females ... but , if the govt want to help them ,this is not the way ... Govt can help them financial ... giving them fee redumption or/and free books ...
 
 Tomorrow , if that SC girl graduates from that college ... she has one of the best Bachelors degree than 130000 other students who r much more deserving than her ...
 
 When u go for job interviews ... they will ask from which college did u graduated .. but not which rank did u secure in EAMCET ... the degree must go to those who deserve it ...

by M » Mon Jul 14, 2003 2:19 pm

India has the toughest of the educational systems .And in INDIA ... EAMCET is toughest than any other university entrance exam(except IIT) ... But still u can see all the young people all over the world prefering to do their studies in USA,UK,Canada,Australia,NewZeaLand,Singapore & other european countries ... why not INDIA , b\'coz we don\'t give value to our degree certificates ... as i said in the above msg , if 750 rank=135000 rank ... then what else to say ...

by **Arch** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 8:41 pm

Is that so? that they removed negative marks !! Wow.. was not aware of that. thanks for the info, ZC. A general category 1000th rank male and a 135000 rank SC female are supposed to be on the same footing !! Such injustice !! in the name of justice to the SC\'s ST\'c BC\'s and Women.. What percentage (approx) of these reservations are used by the truly rightful students?

by **Arch** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 8:08 am

Reservations..? and these days? so that the present generation of the general class goes thru what the untouchables went thru in the past?.. So that this generation pays back what their ancestors have given the untouchables?.. and then it becomes a cycle where the SC/ST/BC\'s will pay back to the present general class later in the future for the crimes that are being done on them in the name of justice now? Hello !! where does it stop? and where are you taking the nation to? aren\'t u understanding such a simple thing that the society at large including those of the SC/ST/BC categories are suffering from the lack of profesional knowledge in various fields that is needed ? for the simple reason that they are not being taught and challenged in the schools and the colleges ! .. for the simple reason that the govt and some of us think that they do not have the capacity to use their brains to get that above 30% or whatever is required to be one among the best?.. for the simple reason that you feel that you can pay back to what your ancestors did to them by making them feel like utter fools ?!! what .. what are you talking about Atul?!! I am flaberghasted !! I shall continue later once i finish my work.

by **Cowboy** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 8:23 am

sure it\'s time to abolish all the reservations based on caste and religions. it\'s foolish to have them so long when the people who really need them are not able to do so.
 A guy passes inter with marginal marks, buys an EAMCET application and bingo, the next thing is, he is a medico in Osmania. and after thorough enjoyment there, he comes out to kill people. It may be you or me or anyone who once posted a message here. Damn, these reservations should b banned and only families who are below poverty line should have reservations.

by **Cowboy** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 8:28 am

well Arch, the present situation in the state is, a student(???) with reservation buys an application for EAMCET and he gets into the \"Ivy League\" of Andhra Pradesh. They don\'t even have to bother with their ranks.

by **Atul** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 8:59 am

That was excellent Peeping Tom. I do agree that reservations are not going to the right people, but that doesn\'t mean the entire reservation system should be abolished. I see how insulted people feel when a SC/ST girl with some 135000th rank sits beside an OC boy with say a 1000 rank. Can you imagine how insulted they (SC/ST people) felt when they were not allowed into the temples, when they were treated as untouchables, when they were asked not to drink water from the same pond, when they were treated so inhumanly by the so-called \'upper caste\' poeple. If a person is really brilliant in a field, he will definitely shine some day or the other, and the opposite is also true. I think this issue is not that easy to deal with, it needs thought from both the sides.

by **Atul** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 9:58 am

Arch let me explain to you why i think reservations are necessary. An SC/ST candidate, has many restraints inorder to enter the main streams like engineering and medicine. first thing he should financially be sound and second he needs proper guidance. You may say that these problems are faced by everyone. but let me tell you, u will rarely find engineers or doctors in an SC/ST family than an upper caste family. the name itself indicates that the entire caste is a well doing one which means there are many successful people in that caste, who could guide their children either financially or by giving them valuable advice to achieve their goals. inorder to lift those people who have no proper guidance, to help such opressed people join the competitive world, reservations have been introduced. you think a girl with 135000 rank will be able to survive the present day competition, yes I do agree that such people are doing enuf harm in the government posts, where they are given a job security, even I have suffered because of this entire reservation system but that doesnt mean the entire reservation system should be abolished. i dont understand when u say reservation, do u imply the same thing for women’s reservation?? minorities reservations?? handicap reservations??? reservations given on the basis of participation in NCC??? sports reservation??? I guess nowadays we(people who have done engineering) face this reservation only at the time of admission into BE, after that I never came across it again, neither in gre nor toefl, nor for admission into any univ nor will I come across it when I go for my job interviews(of course private once). I am talking about the most common thing people do after engg. Also Arch I am not saying that general people should pay back for what their ancestors have done to a particular community, but should think more constructively to lift these people, who still suffer because of no fault of theirs. I will be very happy if you could suggest some ways to do that on this board. Arch I might not have expressed my thoughts as articulately as u did but I am sure you must have understood what I am trying to say.

by **Z C** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 10:09 am

When the Supreme Court asked for abolishing reservations in PG medical courses (probably the judge is afraid that after a heart attack, he may land in a hospital with some stupid, fit for nothing doc), then why are they not abolished in other areas? Does that mean that it is okay if they turn off a wrong valve in HPCL or BPCL and cause financial damage? Why is reservation not there to enter some areas of the armed forces? They are afraid of death at the border? Okay, after entering the govt. One reason, why India can\'t beat China. No religion, no political parties in China. I hope all companies are privatised. Open people should support privatization.

by **Z C** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 10:10 am

ok, after entering govt, y are they given faltoo promotions ?

by **Kumar** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 12:02 pm

Hi guys and gals,
 
Why do we talk about reservations at all? Aren't we all equal = Indians? The Lord almighty gave each one of us the same amount of brain, which weighs about 200 gms. He never discriminated the mankind by giving 400 gms of brain to FC/OCs or 300 gms to BCs or 100 gms to SCs/STs. Did he? Can anyone prove it? In fact technically speaking he gave each one of us the same amount of brain cells to use and the same amount of neurons (200 million) to think and do many things. Anything pitched against this proven theory is farce.

 Also people talk about color and all. What is there in color? Will a fair color entitle one to moon. No body can help changing it. It’s purely because of the genes that one carries and should be treated as parents gift. Can any one help a black guy turn into white by giving him some hormonal treatment - it will only deteriorate his health. Lend the needy the much required moral support . Everyone is equal on this plane. These things still prevail only because of our ancestors mistake (the population has been segmented into various categories and sub-categories and some status has been given to each group). It\'s nothing but heinous. If a person is devout to his duties and does good to others - then he is said to be the superior soul. Think about it again and again. Try to help the needy and never be greedy. Just love all. Then Love starts Loving you.

by M » Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:07 pm

Arey yaar, if the govt has to help the BC/SC, girls, minorities, handicapped people etc. to bring all the people in our country to equal status, then this is not the way. they have to help financially but not on % quota...

by **Z C** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 3:50 pm

Mr. Kumar, only in education and never after that. In GRE and TOEFL, right, but what abt Govt services? An as***** will be your boss.

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