The Real Face of BJP.

[Aziz ur Rahman]

It is upto the people of India to decide whether BJP is a good party or the worst India has ever seen. After having gulped the amount collected in the name of \"Earth quake Relief\" in Gujarat, They changed their CM, from Keshubhai Patel to Narendra Modi and even this did not worked and they lost elections in some parts of the country. So they created communal clashes in a perfectly planned method(That is why they didn\'t dare to enquire the \"Godhra Incident\" by the sitting Judge of Supreme Court) This is to avoid defeat in the coming Assembly elections in Gujarat. Just like to remind you that Gujarat has always been an area of experiment for the BJP & RSS and if they succeed then this could spread to all over the country. Then they can rule the whole country by not taking any developmental activities but just dividing the whole country into Majority and Minority. Ofcourse it is THEY who will GAIN & US who will LOSE.

[Sahil]

After having gone through your bulletien and having seen the incidents happening , specially of BJP & Sangh shielding Modi , I feel they have shown their real intentions. I am ashamed of supporting this party from a very long period. Hats off to You boss for writting such a daring article.

[Shakthi]

Hmm...according to you they BJP created these communal tensions!! Lemme guess!! Oh!!! But how come
\"peaceful\" muslims burnt 58 Hindus? HYPOCRICY rulese these days.

[HINDU]

When Rushdie wrote a book, who spoke of rights? A government may do what it feels, argued the Muslims. It was also an issue of Majority and Minority (Muslims protesting against someone\'s freedom of expression were majority; versus a poor helpless individual).
It was the Muslims who proved to the government to support the greater number on the idea that if the lesser number does \"anything\" (like write a book which they dont like) then get it banned.
It was a matter of time for the table to take a full turn.
Now it is Hindus versus Muslims but for the politicians it was lesser number versus greater numbers.
Numbers won, rights lost. Let Muslims say they will stand for minority rights, and rights per se.
When it happens, I shall stand up and punish all Hindu fundementalists single-handedly and establish a reign of rights.
Else, violators of rights, enjoy. This is your game only.

[Taher Ali]

HINDU , Taking your own example of Rushdie and the principle of Majority and Minority rights - I stand as a Muslim to favour and protect what Aziz has written as his right of expression who is now a minority - against all those who are not in favour - majority. You can count the numbers yourself for messages in his favour and not in his favour to establish minority and majority numbers. Now can you stand up and punish atleast this majority....

SILLY ISN\'T IT..?? Here you need to compare banana with a banana!!

[HINDU]

Dear Friend
A polity either supports RIGHTs or NOT. You can\'t have any more choices. Violators of rights will eventually violate every right of everyone, though they often begin with seemingly \"popular\" choices like writers, painters etc.
If you want rights, speak for Rushdie. Speak for Shah Bano\'s right to separation alimony. If you use Koran against the two issues, you will get Narendra Modi scripted \"Gita\", because it is all same - violation of rights. That is all I said.
I hardly find purpose risking my life to protect the blood of seekers of Rushdie\'s blood.
Let me see Indian Muslims speak for him... the worst minority (INDIVIDUAL).
Have you grown up to that level of democracy, yet?

[Shantaram]

Congress appeases muslims; they are damn sure that Hindu votes will come to them. Now they\'re acting that they\'re protectors of muslims in India. Why congress didn\'t condemn murder of innocent Hindus in Kashmir by muslim terrorists? This signifies, it has got something to do with Muslims. Congress is Hindu hater, and my vote will never go to Congress, never in my life.

[The Shrink]

Exactly, what crimes are you charging BJP, RSS, VHP, and whoever disagrees with you. What do you think is happening in Kashmir now?. Who is responsible for the carnage there over the years?. Are you suggesting that your \'holy book\' dares you to liquidate all the fakirs in the name of islamic loving-kindness and because of this religious sanction, killing and driving out of their homes of Hindu Pandits by the lakhs does not deserve even a footnote in the annals of Islamic intolerance.

[Aziz ur Rahman]

Please read the following article not written by me. I hope everybody reads it in good sense, feeling all the way as an Indian , taking religion as a private affair. \"CRY, THE BELOVED COUNTRY Reflections on the Gujarat massacre BY - Harsh Mander (The writer, is a serving IAS Officer, who is working on deputation with a development organisation) Numbed with disgust and horror, I return from Gujarat ten days after the terror and massacre that convulsed the state. My heart is sickened, my soul wearied, my shoulders aching with the burdens of guilt and shame. As you walk through the camps of riot survivors in Ahmadabad, in which an estimated 53,000 women, men, and children are huddled in 29 temporary settlements, displays of overt grief are unusual. People clutch small bundles of relief materials, all that they now own in the world, with dry and glassy eyes. Some talk in low voices, others busy themselves with the tasks of everyday living in these most basic of shelters, looking for food and milk for children, tending the wounds of the injured. But once you sit anywhere in these camps, people begin to speak and their words are like masses of pus released by slitting large festering wounds. The horrors that they speak of are so macabre, that my pen falters in the writing. The pitiless brutality against women and small children by organised bands of armed young men is more savage than anything witnessed in the riots that have shamed this nation from time to time during the past century. I force myself to write a small fraction of all that I heard and saw, because it is important that we all know. Or maybe also because I need to share my own burdens. What can you say about a woman eight months pregnant who begged to be spared. Her assailants instead slit open her stomach, pulled out her foetus and slaughtered it before her eyes. What can you say about a family of nineteen being killed by flooding their house with water and then electrocuting them with high-tension electricity. What can you say? A small boy of six in Juhapara camp described how his mother and six brothers and sisters were battered to death before his eyes. He survived only because he fell unconscious, and was taken for dead. A family escaping from Naroda-Patiya, one of the worst-hit settlements in Ahmedabad, spoke of losing a young woman and her three month old son, because a police constable directed her to \'safety\' and she found herself instead surrounded by a mob which doused her with kerosene and set her and her baby on fire. I have never known a riot which has used the sexual subjugation of women so widely as an instrument of violence in the recent mass barbarity in Gujarat. There are reports every where of gang-rape, of young girls and women, often in the presence of members of their families, followed by their murder by burning alive, or by bludgeoning with a hammer and in one case with a screw driver. Women in the Aman Chowk shelter told appalling stories about how armed men disrobed themselves in front of a group of terrified women to cower them down further. In Ahmedabad, most people I met - social workers, journalists, survivors - agree that what Gujarat witnessed was not a riot, but a terrorist attack followed by a systematic, planned massacre, a pogrom. Everyone spoke of the pillage and plunder, being organised like a military operation against an external armed enemy. An initial truck would arrive broadcasting inflammatory slogans, soon followed by more trucks which disgorged young men, mostly in khaki shorts and saffron sashes. They were armed with sophisticated explosive materials, country weapons, daggers and trishuls. They also carried water bottles, to sustain them in their exertions. The leaders were seen communicating on mobile telephones from the riot venues, receiving instructions from and reporting back to a co-ordinating centre. Some were seen with documents and computer sheets listing Muslim families and their properties. They had detailed precise knowledge about buildings and businesses held by members of the minority community, such as who were partners say in a restaurant business, or which Muslim homes had Hindu spouses were married who should be spared in the violence. This was not a spontaneous upsurge of mass anger. It was a carefully planned pogrom. The trucks carried quantities of gas cylinders. Rich Muslim homes and business establishments were first systematically looted, stripped down of all their valuables, then cooking gas was released from cylinders into the buildings for several minutes. A trained member of the group then lit the flame which efficiently engulfed the building. In some cases, acetylene gas which is used for welding steel, was employed to explode large concrete buildings. Mosques and dargahs were razed, and were replaced by statues of Hanuman and saffron flags. Some dargahs in Ahmedabad city crossings have overnight been demolished and their sites covered with road building material, and bulldozed so efficiently that these spots are indistinguishable from the rest of the road. Traffic now plies over these former dargahs, as though they never existed. The unconscionable failures and active connivance of the state police and administrative machinery is also now widely acknowledged. The police is known to have misguided people straight into the hands of rioting mobs. They provided protective shields to crowds bent on pillage, arson, rape and murder, and were deaf to the pleas of the desperate Muslim victims, many of them women and children. There have been many reports of police firing directly mostly at the minority community, which was the target of most of the mob violence. The large majority of arrests are also from the same community which was the main victim of the pogrom. As one who has served in the Indian Administrative Service for over two decades, I feel great shame at the abdication of duty of my peers in the civil and police administration. The law did not require any of them to await orders from their political superivisors before they organised the decisive use of force to prevent the brutal escalation of violence, and to protect vulnerable women and children from the organised, murderous mobs. The law instead required them to act independently, fearlessly, impartially, decisively, with courage and compassion. If even one official had so acted in Ahmedabad, she or he could have deployed the police forces and called in the army to halt the violence and protect the people in a matter of hours. No riot can continue beyond a few hours without the active connivance of the local police and magistracy. The blood of hundreds of innocents are on the hands of the police and civil authorities of Gujarat, and by sharing in a conspiracy of silence, on the entire higher bureaucracy of the country. I have heard senior officials blame also the communalism of the police constabulary for their connivance in the violence. This too is a thin and disgraceful alibi. The same forces have been known to act with impartiality and courage when led by officers of professionalism and integrity. The failure is clearly of the leadership of the police and civil services, not of the subordinate men and women in khaki who are trained to obey their orders. Where also, amidst this savagery, injustice, and human suffering is the \'civil society\', the Gandhians, the development workers, the NGOs, the fabled spontaneous Gujarathi philanthropy which was so much in evidence in the earthquake in Kutch and Ahmedabad? The newspapers reported that at the peak of the pogrom, the gates of Sabarmati Asram were closed to protect its properties, it should instead have been the city\'s major sanctuary. Which Gandhian leaders, or NGO managers, staked their lives to halt the death-dealing throngs? It is one more shame that we as citizens of this country must carry on our already burdened backs, that the camps for the Muslim riot victims in Ahmedabad are being run almost exclusively by Muslim organisations. It is as though the monumental pain, loss, betrayal and injustice suffered by the Muslim people is the concern only of other Muslim people, and the rest of us have no share in the responsibility to assuage, to heal and rebuild. The state, which bears the primary responsibility to extend both protection and relief to its vulnerable citizens, was nowhere in evidence in any of the camps, to manage, organise the security, or even to provide the resources that are required to feed the tens of thousands of defenceless women, men and children huddled in these camps for safety. The only passing moments of pride and hope that I experienced in Gujarat, were when I saw men like Mujid Ahmed and women like Roshan Bahen who served in these camps with tireless, dogged humanism amidst the ruins around them. In the Aman Chowk camp, women blessed the young band of volunteers who worked from four in the morning until after midnight to ensure that none of their children went without food or milk, or that their wounds remained untended. Their leader Mujid Ahmed is a graduate, his small chemical dyes factory has been burnt down, but he has had no time to worry about his own loss. Each day he has to find 1600 kilograms of foodgrain to feed some 5000 people who have taken shelter in the camp. The challenge is even greater for Roshan Bahen, almost 60, who wipes her eyes each time she hears the stories of horror by the residents in Juapara camp. But she too has no time for the luxuries of grief or anger. She barely sleeps, as her volunteers, mainly working class Muslim women and men from the humble tenements around the camp, provide temporary toilets, food and solace to the hundreds who have gathered in the grounds of a primary school to escape the ferocity of merciless mobs. As I walked through the camps, I wondered what Gandhiji would have done in these dark hours. I recall the story of the Calcutta riots, when Gandhi was fasting for peace. A Hindu man came to him, to speak of his young boy who had been killed by Muslim mobs, and of the depth of his anger and longing for revenge. And Gandhi is said to have replied: If you really wish to overcome your pain, find a young boy, just as young as your son, a Muslim boy whose parents have been killed by Hindu mobs. Bring up that boy like you would your own son, but bring him up with the Muslim faith to which he was born. Only then will you find that you can heal your pain, your anger, and your longing for retribution. There are no voices like Gandhi \'s that we hear today. Only discourses on Newtonian physics, to justify vengeance on innocents. We need to find these voices within our own hearts, we need to believe enough in justice, love, tolerance. There is much that the murdering mobs in Gujarat have robbed from me. One of them is a song I often sang with pride and conviction. The words of the song are: Sare jahan se achha Hindustan hamara. It is a song I will never be able to sing again -Ishwar\"

[Ram]

Why we Hindus in A.P can\'t do that? we need to take inspiration from Gujarat.

[krishnan]

Give it a try and i bet you wouldn\'t succeed. Your own identity would be perished. Because we like to live with them(muslims)as brothers. People like You should be kicked out, not only from this Country but from the Earth. I am afraid the BJP has succeeded in dividing the people of this country in Majority-Minority but its a question of who is who ?

[Mohammeda mud.]

Allah ko pyare hoja miya!! lol....

Mullah o checkbar.

[MUDPEDO!]

MY hat is on! Hates off!

[ali]

Shrink
u r confused a lot.
the topic of discussion is whether BJP is a good party or not.
no one is talking about holy books here.so dont try to instigate other people by talking about holy books.if u want to discuss that put another board and we can discuss at length about that.
by the in Kashmir,muslims are also killed daily by bombs and other means.This is Pak-India problem not a religious prob.

[The Shrink]

It is you who is confused and hard of hearing. People of India have spoken loud and clear. BJP is the ruling party. Your response only underlines the hollowness of the point of discussion.

[pakkadesi]

Guys, let\'s not talk about history and divide the country on religion beliefs. Why don\'t we talk of doing good to the country instead of pointing each other? Communal tension makes lifes of masses in fear and hungry. We all have to condemn Gordhra cornage and after events in Gujarat. Angry mobs are victims of brain washing of mean politicians and organizations. We cannot make Indian muslim responsible for wrongdoings of pakis.

[Observer.]

UK report censures Naredra Modi


London, April 27, Saturday :
In a damning internal report, British officials in India have said the recent widespread violence in Gujarat was \"pre-planned\" and \"carried out\" with the support of the state government. According to BBC, which has obtained a copy of the report, British officials claimed the violence had all the \"hallmarks of ethnic cleansing\" and \"reconciliation between Hindus and Muslims is impossible while the Chief Minister Narendra Modi remains in power.\"

The report said \"far from being spontaneous, was planned, possibly months in advance, carried out by an extremist Hindu organisation with the support of the state government.\"




It said, \"The aim was to purge Muslims from Hindu areas and at least 2,000 people have died in
the violence.\"

[Protest_for_Good.]

Its a matter of tragedy that some people are bent upon turning Gandhi\'s Gujarat to Godse\'s Gujarat

[bharatiyudu]

Really surprised with foreign missions and foreign governments involving internal matters of india. In UK, police never catch culprit if whites kills minority community person, but they catch culprits in days sometimes in hours and make them accountable for the crimes done by minority community. Now, UK talks about India and secularism. West has done so many atrocities against minorities in their own lands and others lands. This does not mean that i\'m supporting either BJP or sangh parivar after Gujarat riots. These are most heinous crimes done in a country with history of tolerance, love and freedom. I did talk to few Sangh parivaar people they bounced back and said \"Gujarat riots are reasons for Hindu backlash\". This has comes from many years. Hindus are real scapegoats in their own country because everybody wants appease Muslims because of vote bank. No one from any party or organization did not condemn the GODHRA incident to the full extent leaded to GODHRA riots. I strongly feels that there should not be no minority and majority all citizens of the country should be equal and entitled equal rights. Abolish all the laws and rules that differentiate person to person on the grounds of religion. Let’s everybody say “Mera Bharat Mahan” . Other views really appreciated in this matter.

[Ashamed_Secular.]

I had voted for the BJP in the last elections with the hope that (a) it would put the past (violence, corruption, etc.) behind us and (b) work towards building a better & brighter future for all Indians. I feel let down.

I should also perhaps explain here that I belong to the post-partition generation and hence, do not carry the bitterness, etc. associated with it.

Despite my misgivings about the Sangh Parivar, I saw in Atal Behari Vajpayee a personality that appealed to me….a person who was worthy of respect….a person one could trust, in this circus.

What happened at Godhra was despicable. What does any civilized society do after that? I am not a believer of offering the other cheek when slapped on one. But does that mean we say “an eye for an eye”….”violence justifies violence”. What about the role of the government? Isn’t it supposed to protect the spirit of the Indian constitution?

I had seen Narendra Modi on various TV shows before he became the Chief Minister and must admit that I had grown to admire the man as a balanced & progressive face of the BJP. But when he justified what happened after Godhra as retribution…I was saddened….my faith in the BJP shaken.

Same for George Fernandes. He was probably the first Defence Minister in a long time to visit our soldiers in Siachen. I admired the man for his simplicity. I was even willing to ignore the Tahelka scam thinking….people around him maybe bad but this guy looks straight to me. But when he stated in Parliament that such violence is not new (wombs of pregnant women being destroyed, etc.) & happened earlier, during the Delhi riots….he fell in my esteem. I mean are we saying that because the earlier governments indulged in evil & violence, the NDA will also do the same?

I do not wish to get embroiled in a debate on secularism, etc. I have therefore deliberately avoided any religious reference (I happen to be a Hindu). I am talking about ethics & values here. I am also not supporting any other political party….their efforts seem targeted at gaining political mileage out of what happened.

I would like to end this on a positive note. I feel a lot better after Atal Behari Vajpayee admitted that he could/should have done more. I hope the government does it now & redeems us all.