Should VHP/RSS be banned?

by **tipu** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:16 pm

Hi,Andhriate,I will tell u the reaction,in our Islam we cannot kill any innocent,or rape any girl,or women.So the reaction will be Muslims will kill only those who are involved in that thing and who are guilty,and not like what happened in gujrat on the roads

by **Andhraite** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:28 pm

Ok, tipu, good to hear from u ...
 
 On the same note, can u give explanation abt the acts of muslim fanatics who harassed the females and stripped their clothes and then burnt hindus alive in train without any proper reason to attack those poor innocent souls ...
 
 U may say that those people r \'not true muslims\', but is that small name that is entitled to them is enough for their actions ... i too can say that those hindus r deepily emotional and in deep sorrow at that time as their dear ones r murder for no reason, given that situation, we can\'t have control over our body, so they did that ...

by **Baigan** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:58 pm

Andhraite ,
 
 The bogey of that train was burnt from inside . There was a report about this in the newspapers but our Government hushed it up . So i am not sure who is behind the conspiracy . And recently the victims of the Godhra massacre came out against BJP and VHP for manipulating and using them . And whatever happened in Gujrat happened with full support of the govt of Gujrat and that is why it is a shame . And worse people of Gujrat elected him again .
 
 anyways if you think Gujrat riots were justified because of Godhra then going by that logic , recent mumbai blasts and Akshardham is also probably justifed .or is it that only hindus have right to be emotional .

by **Andhraite** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:16 pm

Baigan, i never said theose actions r justified, i\'m just trying to get the proper answer from tipu(i know if i ask him what is ur reaction for that actions, he would say those fanatics r not true muslims, but is saying that is enough??? we have make them feel insecure, if they follow that way ...)

by **Ghalib ki Ullu** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:19 pm

Ulluon ki kammi nahin hai ghalib, ek dhoondo to hazzar milthe hai.. include me in the hazzar

Incidentally, (being the ullu that I claim that I am), the politicians use the religions as the source of keeping/disturbing the peace and we, like the ullus that I mentioned that we ar,e fall into these traps and not just get into those riots but also discuss and get all emotional abt\' it. The hyderabad hindu-muslim riots during Indira Gandhi\'s last years was a typical example. The goons of one poitical party were instructed to create riots in the city by burning down the hindu shops in the old city area and the muslim shops in the abids/basheer bagh area. It was a very intelligently orchestrated riot that I knew of ! They would open/break down the doors of the shops, pour keroscene in, light, with people in, and walk to the next one..
 Simply stab the guy sitting/passer-by and walk along. Once they reached the Municipal Office at Basheer Bagh, the choukidar\'s old father was sitting outside of his home, and was stabbed along with his 2 year old grandson.
 In the whole process several hindus and muslims were stabbed and their shops were burnt, and they went away. Then the mayhem started, as they expected. we like the ullus that I claimed that we are, went around stabbing and burning our hyderbadis and hyderabad further.. exactly what they wanted us to do !!

by **Atul** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 9:30 am

I am very surprised to see how Andhrite is struggling all alone to prove his point. In my opinion, organisations like VHP/RSS should not be banned. I do accept that not everything that they think is right, but I believe in the fact that wherever there is positivity, there has to be negativity for a balancing condition to exist. Though India is a peace loving country, we do have nuclear weapons and we spend 80% of our budget on defence. So does that make us a violent and invading country? In the same way, we need organisations like VHP/RSS to check the minorities from misusing and exploting the national secular sentiment. Also, it\'s a very immoral and inappropriate thing to compare VHP/RSS with fundamentalist organisations in Pakistan. Haven\'t you heard of the good work done by them during the Gujarat earthquake and other such natural calamities? I want my Muslim friends to remember that we have only one hindu (of course, I am talking about the majority factor) country and we will go any extent to protect our culture and our country (which belongs to the peace-loving people of all religions).

by **momin** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:49 pm

Hi,VHP supporter,go and open any history book,which is not biased or safronised,then u will come to know,what were this RSS people before independance,they were british informers,(They betrayed India,and know they claim to be indian,Who killed Father of the Nation?).I have also heared from Lalu Prasad in one parlament session,he quoted that RSS people were informers of British.
 Note:one more thing muslims are not in minority they are 30% of Indias population,at the time of population,Indian muslims were much more than (west)Pakistanis at that time,and now (west)pakistani,population is more than 15 crore,if we put same groth rate for indian muslims they will be atleast 25 crore.

by **momin** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:49 pm

Hi,VHP supporter,go and open any history book,which is not biased or safronised,then u will come to know,what were this RSS people before independance,they were british informers,(They betrayed India,and know they claim to be indian,Who killed Father of the Nation?).I have also heared from Lalu Prasad in one parlament session,he quoted that RSS people were informers of British.
 Note:one more thing muslims are not in minority they are 30% of Indias population,at the time of population,Indian muslims were much more than (west)Pakistanis at that time,and now (west)pakistani,population is more than 15 crore,if we put same growth rate for indian muslims they will be atleast 25 crore.

by **momin** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:51 pm

population=partition (misprint)

by **Mayavi Morpheus** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 10:00 pm

OFF TOPIC:
 
 Atul, India doesnt spend 80% of its budget on defence. Thats ridiculously high amount. India is one of the worlds smallest spender on defence, GDP percentage wise (about 2.4% of GDP) and PPP wise (one rupee for every 1000 people), I think its around 30% of Budget allocation.
 For comparision sake, pakistan spends nearly 14% of GDP on defence and about 5 rupees per 1000 people.
 
 Momin:
 Paksitans population growth is 2.9% per annum and that of India is 1.9% per annum. So you cannot compare population growht of India with that of paksitan as there is no proportional growth of population.

by **frustrated at those of us who still thin** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 2:36 am

GLOBAL JIHAD
 Al-Qaida: Be ready for attack
 killing 100,000
 Leader in Iraq warns of \'huge and very
 courageous strike\' on U.S.
 
 Posted: November 13, 2003
 5:00 p.m. Eastern
 
 
 © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
 
 An al-Qaida commander in Iraq close to Osama bin
 Laden warns of an imminent massive attack against the
 U.S. designed to kill as many as 100,000 people.
 
 A leader who identifies himself as Abu Salma Al-Hijazi
 said in an interview posted on al-Qal\'a – \"The Fortress\"
 – an Islamist Internet forum, \"a huge and very
 courageous strike\" has been planned, reports the
 Washington, D.C.-based Middle East Media Research
 Institute, or MEMRI.
 
 The attack, which he anticipates during the current
 month-long Muslim observance of Ramadan, will
 \"amaze the world and turn al-Qaida into [an
 organization that] horrifies the world until the law of
 Allah is implemented, actually implemented, and not just
 in words, on his land. …\"
 
 Al-Hijazi vowed, \"You wait and see that the balance of
 power between al-Qaida and its rivals will change, all of
 a sudden, Allah willing.\"
 
 The interview, according to the article, took place in
 Iraq, south of Faluja, with five masked men carrying
 missiles and personal weapons surrounding al-Hijazi.
 
 Al-Hijazi said al-Qaida is keeping an eye on detainees
 held by coalition forces.
 
 \"We follow their situation closely. ... The collaborating
 governments will pay the price for capturing these
 heroes who want to revive the glory of their nation and
 shake off the dust of humiliation and disgrace,\" he said.
 
 He added the \"collaborating and treacherous\"
 governments should know al-Qaida has a long reach,
 and its members enjoy popularity that will not end just
 because apostate governments detain hundreds of
 al-Qaida members.
 
 \"As soon as the governments detain one of our people,
 ten like him join us. ... This is no secret,\" he said.
 
 Al-Hijazi said al-Qaida\'s target is Americans, not the
 governments of Islamic nations.
 
 \"We are patient,\" he said. \"Our patience will only end
 with the collapse of America and its agents.\"
 
 He added: \"There is no doubt that the demise of
 America and its collapse will lead to the collapse of
 these fragile regimes that depend on it. … We will not
 stop until we establish the Islamic caliphate and until
 Allah\'s law is implemented in his land.\"
 
 Al-Hijazi contended reports the recent bombing in
 Riyadh killed Muslim women and children were \"merely
 media deceit.\"
 
 He said al-Qaida had watched the compound for many
 months and determined its inhabitants were at least 300
 Americans and a large group of Lebanese Christians
 \"who had tortured Muslims\" in Lebanon during the civil
 war.
 
 \"After consultation, we decided it was appropriate to
 attack this place and destroy it, including the people
 who lived there, because it housed Americans and a
 large majority of Christians holding Lebanese
 citizenship,\" he said.
 
 \"Since the Saudi government is aware of the sensitivity
 of this place and that it is a declared target for al-Qaida,
 it surrounded it with very heavy security,\" he continued.
 \"However, we gave our people in Riyadh a green light
 to destroy it on top of those inside.
 
 \"Allah facilitated breaking into the place and bombing
 the part in which mostly Americans stayed,\" al-Hijazi
 said. \"As a result, praise Allah, at least 40 Americans
 were killed, as well as 27 Christians from Lebanon and
 a group of citizens who were Muslim; also, at least 70
 Americans were injured, as well as more than 30
 citizens of other countries, most of them Christians from
 Lebanon.\"
 
 According to Al-Hijazi, a Saudi religious scholar who is
 wanted by Saudi authorities will claim responsibility in a
 televised communiqué for the bombing \"and for other
 operations to come.\"
 
 He added the wills of the attackers will be published in
 the month of Shawwal – the month following Ramadan
 according to the Muslim calendar – when al-Qaida\'s
 main website, al-Nida, is due to be reactivated.

by **Frustrated..** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 2:39 am

The name should have been Frustrated at those of us who still think that Fanatical aspect of Islam/any religion is aiming at peace

by **Proud to be Indian but not.......** » Sun Nov 23, 2003 1:07 am

When any of the RSS or VHP can Ban the SIMI or any other fundementalists group(so called , we r not yet confirmed that were they had any link or not ) r just becoz their rapid increase in their popularity among muslims in India, which piches the hindu fundementalists could not bear or engulp this, so they banned that using the name of BJP or govt what ever, then we know that these groups r the enimies of our national intrest and our identity.So in this democratic country people has right to Ban these organisations.Other wise we will be no more democratic and anybody can interfere like US or Israel or UK and make India once again thier slaves

by **JustaLittleUnwell** » Sun Nov 23, 2003 10:24 am

Proud to be, i\'m not sure I understood your message precisely, but democracy is not preserved by \'banning\' stuff. It is upheld by letting all conflicting schools of thought to exist (including SIMI, VHP, RSS, Salman Rushdie\'s \'Satanic Verses\', Hussain\'s \'Saraswati\', X-rated content in FullHyd boards

and so on), and letting people to choose what they want to follow / believe in. Freedom of expression is a necessary ingredient for democracy. Any sort of \"Banning\" deprives people this freedom and is therefore detrimental to democracy.

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