Is Congress good for Muslims?

[Sharjeel]

I am just wondering that after Cong/NCP has just won in Maharashtra, BJP/SS will now be in the opposition and will naturally want to come back to power. Coupled with the defeat in the centre, BJP and its allies now will have to rethink their manifesto/agenda. I fear that they may get back into their hardline ways, and instigate mischief. People may say that they never did such things, but directly or indirectly, they have been the cause of communal unrest and taking advantage and thus increase their vote tally. While they were in power, they were content. Also, the Left and Congress never really played the religion game all these years, while in opposition. Thus, Non-Hondus were being left alone. Now, with BJP back in opposition, will they again go back to their over-the-top ways (like the tantrum of Sushma Swaraj when Sonia was abt to become PM), or or will they stick to their agenda? What does the future hold for non-hindus?



What do all you people think about it? Please keep on mind that I mean no offense to anyone or any group/religion. This is just a discussion, so please do not take any of this too personally.

[igiveadamn]

congress in most states and even at the center is not good for anybody. they are just a bunch of hypocrites and nothing more.

[malakpetmasala]

whats new with minority bashing? most of us here are pro minority bashing of some kind or the other.

[CtrlAltDel]

the Left (and as an extension, Congress) specializes in "Majority Bashing" too. India's safe in none of these _' hands

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Coming to speak of it, we don't have a single party that would be really a safe bet at either the centre or the states.

[CtrlAltDel]

i wud not support any coalition in which the commies are an important part. even if this means that i have to go with BJP & Co. or any Third Front jokers who dont rely on commies. i feel that communists in all their forms are the biggest threat to this country.

[malakpetmasala]

i wud not support any coalition in which the commies are an important part. even if this means that i have to go with BJP & Co. or any Third Front jokers who dont rely on commies. i feel that communists in all their forms are the biggest threat to this country.

I am not really a supporter of marxism, leninism or maioism., but coming to think of it, economically/or say in anyother progressive aspect, how superior is AP or MP or UP which have never seen a communist regime compared to kerala or West Bengal.



if people start measuring development in terms of bandwidth and magnificiant buildings. then im surely wrong.

[CtrlAltDel]

I am not really a supporter of marxism, leninism or maioism., but coming to think of it, economically/or say in anyother progressive aspect, how superior is AP or MP or UP which have never seen a communist regime compared to kerala or West Bengal.

if people start measuring development in terms of bandwidth and magnificiant buildings. then im surely wrong.

the commies have gifted kerala n w.bengal a history of labour unrest, strikes, unemployment and economic stagnation. it is only recently that those hypocrites have seen reason and trying hard to lure foriegn investment with friendly policies (while opposing the same elsewhere in the country).



nehru shud've cashed in on the anti-communist sentiments after the China war and banned those bastards out of existence...

[Mayavi Morpheus]

i wud not support any coalition in which the commies are an important part. even if this means that i have to go with BJP & Co. or any Third Front jokers who dont rely on commies. i feel that communists in all their forms are the biggest threat to this country.

I am not really a supporter of marxism, leninism or maioism., but coming to think of it, economically/or say in anyother progressive aspect, how superior is AP or MP or UP which have never seen a communist regime compared to kerala or West Bengal.

if people start measuring development in terms of bandwidth and magnificiant buildings. then im surely wrong.

You are looking at it from the wrong end.

Kerala and WB would have been way ahead of AP, MP or UP in terms of development if there was no communist regime in those states.

[CtrlAltDel]

Kerala and WB would have been way ahead of AP, MP or UP in terms of development if there was no communist regime in those states.

exactly...those two states have soem of the smartest brains in the country n its all wasted bcoz of communists...

[akhilis2cool]

Kerala and WB would have been way ahead of AP, MP or UP in terms of development if there was no communist regime in those states.

exactly...those two states have soem of the smartest brains in the country n its all wasted bcoz of communists...

eggjaktly. most of the keralites are in the middle east and some western countries.



we know what is the human rights situation in china.



coming back to the point. Congress in any form is bad for muslims. over the past 50 yrs. they only used them to win elections. the parties too wld. do the same thing.



as Dr. Rafiq Zaqaria says. Its now time for the Muslims to stand up on there own feet.

[malakpetmasala]

i wud not support any coalition in which the commies are an important part. even if this means that i have to go with BJP & Co. or any Third Front jokers who dont rely on commies. i feel that communists in all their forms are the biggest threat to this country.

I am not really a supporter of marxism, leninism or maioism., but coming to think of it, economically/or say in anyother progressive aspect, how superior is AP or MP or UP which have never seen a communist regime compared to kerala or West Bengal.

if people start measuring development in terms of bandwidth and magnificiant buildings. then im surely wrong.

You are looking at it from the wrong end.
Kerala and WB would have been way ahead of AP, MP or UP in terms of development if there was no communist regime in those states.

whats so special about kerla and WB that they had to be much ahead of the rest of the country, if they did nt have communicm?

well... in that way, let me put it this way..... Ap would have been another present day WB or Kerala if there was communism.

well... any given day, i ll vote for communism than communalism.



and yes, there as this discussion about communism Vs communalism between Nehru and patel., backing to the times of the liberation of telangana. but they were smart to curb the communal forces, but went soft with the communists. I really hope there is a leader of Patel s caliber in the modern times.

[malakpetmasala]

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as Dr. Rafiq Zaqaria says. Its now time for the Muslims to stand up on there own feet.

have they been sitting down all the way thru?

[Sharjeel]

coming back to the point. Congress in any form is bad for muslims. over the past 50 yrs. they only used them to win elections. the parties too wld. do the same thing. as Dr. Rafiq Zaqaria says. Its now time for the Muslims to stand up on there own feet.

I know, but you see, I had been living in a hindu dominated area in nagpur all my life, and the poeple are wonderful all the time.



But some of them do have probs with muslims, and when Sharad Pawar was in power, I had seen that they were a lot more vocal because they got encouragement from the opposition party (SS).



but, as CAD says, Cong and the others are majority bashers...

[akhilis2cool]

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as Dr. Rafiq Zaqaria says. Its now time for the Muslims to stand up on there own feet.

have they been sitting down all the way thru?

well they cld. have done a lot better than wht. have done. congress promised a lot...but gave very little.

[malakpetmasala]

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as Dr. Rafiq Zaqaria says. Its now time for the Muslims to stand up on there own feet.

have they been sitting down all the way thru?

well they cld. have done a lot better than wht. have done. congress promised a lot...but gave very little.

one thing i really dont understand is that what they want?

they want just what every one else wants. Right, and for that whats the need for special reservations?



and about keeping them secure from extreme communal elements, y dont they get rid of the communal elements at the first place instead of creating "specials".

And i dont think VHP or the sang parivar were a result of congress governments.

Or if they were, please enlighten me.

[Saradhi]

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as Dr. Rafiq Zaqaria says. Its now time for the Muslims to stand up on there own feet.

have they been sitting down all the way thru?

well they cld. have done a lot better than wht. have done. congress promised a lot...but gave very little.

one thing i really dont understand is that what they want?
they want just what every one else wants. Right, and for that whats the need for special reservations?

and about keeping them secure from extreme communal elements, y dont they get rid of the communal elements at the first place instead of creating "specials".
And i dont think VHP or the sang parivar were a result of congress governments.
Or if they were, please enlighten me.

Congress is always pretends that they are doing something for Muslims, but acxtually doesnt do anything.



See the recent 5% Muslim Reservation Bill in AP. AP government knows that the bill is illegal. So may law professionals have suggested not to come forward with the bill as it is against Indian Republic.



But still they went ahead with the bill and the result, AP High Court kicked that bill a side. Today they are saying that they are committed, but it went into legal problems. Who asked them to go into Legal troubles even though they know they will have problems. These are the dramas palyed by Congress Government.



Yes, VHP or the sang parivar were a result of congress governments. But they are reasons for their increased strengths. Take Hyderabad for ex, We used to hear a lot of Communcal Violence in old city in 1980s. This really led to the increased strength and polairisation of Majority people taking the steps of BJP, VHP & RSS to counter the Extreeme elements of Muslim minority in Old City.



It is right time for Muslims to understand that India is important than ISI and if you do not want to live ion India and still want security, stop supporting ISI and anti-national elementys, you will get the due respect you should get.



The incident that happended when Gujarath p[olice came to arrest that ISI agent Naseeruddin with clear cut orders from POTA Court is the best example of extreemisim at its peak . Why should people obstruct the police not to arrest that guy whose role in the ISI backed terrorist activities was clearly evident from the Evidences produced by Gujarath people in the Court?????



As Dr. Rafiq Zaqaria says. Its now time for the Muslims to stand up on there own feet. But this also time for Muslims (Who are paticipating in such anti-national activities) to think what they are doing by encouraging suck anti-national activitiies.



One thing is clear, if you dont want to live in this country, Just go and live wherever you want to live, nobody stops you. But dont try to destroy your own land saying that people are not recognising us.

[teaser]

[quote="Saradhi"][quote="malakpetmasala"][quote="akhilis2cool"][quote="malakpetmasala"][quote="akhilis2cool"][

as Dr. Rafiq Zaqaria says.



Congress is always pretends that they are doing something for Muslims, but acxtually doesnt do anything.



See the recent 5% Muslim Reservation Bill in AP. AP government knows that the bill is illegal. So may law professionals have suggested not to come forward with the bill as it is against Indian Republic.



It is right time for Muslims to understand that India is important than ISI and if you do not want to live ion India and still want security, stop supporting ISI and anti-national elementys, you will get the due respect you should get.



Hey how many muslims you know participate in this anti national activities ????? An anti national is anti national ...dont personify him or her as muslim, hindu, christian and or so on... I know many muslims who are as indian as then any of their hindu, christian, jew or parsi counterpart. Dont generalise that all muslims are anti India.



And pple whatz with this Reservation funda... cant we just grow up ,

I always believed crunches will make u walk ... but never run.



Today Indian are present in all major economics. Western world looks at us for our intelligence and skills. and we here fight like rascist fanatics. As what religion is gaining or what community is being pampered by government.





Bottomline,Im proud of being raised as an Indian rather than a Hindu .

[Saradhi]

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as Dr. Rafiq Zaqaria says.

Congress is always pretends that they are doing something for Muslims, but acxtually doesnt do anything.

See the recent 5% Muslim Reservation Bill in AP. AP government knows that the bill is illegal. So may law professionals have suggested not to come forward with the bill as it is against Indian Republic.

It is right time for Muslims to understand that India is important than ISI and if you do not want to live ion India and still want security, stop supporting ISI and anti-national elementys, you will get the due respect you should get.

Hey how many muslims you know participate in this anti national activities ????? An anti national is anti national ...dont personify him or her as muslim, hindu, christian and or so on... I know many muslims who are as indian as then any of their hindu, christian, jew or parsi counterpart. Dont generalise that all muslims are anti India.

And pple whatz with this Reservation funda... cant we just grow up ,
I always believed crunches will make u walk ... but never run.

Today Indian are present in all major economics. Western world looks at us for our intelligence and skills. and we here fight like rascist fanatics. As what religion is gaining or what community is being pampered by government.


Bottomline,Im proud of being raised as an Indian rather than a Hindu .

Come on , I never generalised all muslims to be anti-national.

See my post above



As Dr. Rafiq Zaqaria says. Its now time for the Muslims to stand up on there own feet. But this also time for Muslims (Who are paticipating in such anti-national activities) to think what they are doing by encouraging suck anti-national activitiies.



See my words in the brackets. my words goes to those Muslims who participate in anti-national activities, not to all Muslims.



you r absolutely, this reservation system is bullshit.

When ambedkar introducsed this REservation system, he did it for some purpose. But today due to this reservatiuon, a section of the society is getting undue advantage and forming a creemy layer and the actual purpose of the reservation is not getting served.



I have seen a family where in father is a teacher, mother is a teacher, all their 3 daughters, 3 son-in-laws, 3 sons and 3 daughter-in-law got jobs because they belongs to a certain community. Bull Shit.

some fo them got 45% in EAMCET and still they got seats and their classmates who got 75% in EAMCET , but still didnt get seat because they belongs to OC.



Today, AP govt wants to give reservations to Nizam's Nephew also only because he is a Muslim. Why?



Give the reservations to the Economically backward and poor people irrespective of their cast and religion, then only this Country can compete with other countries.

[Reality,,its here. Accept it.]

In my view congress is good for neither the minority nor the majority. What the congress are good at is sychopancy of which we had a great show when Sonia Gndhi 'gave up' the prime minister's chair.

The congress learnt some real politiking from the Britishers. They are implimenting it from the time they got into power - the policy of divide and rule.

For example,the reservations policy. I think we all know how much it helped in the integration of the downtrodden into the mainstream. The policy helped a small percentage of the downtrodden to gain financial independence and stability and they inturn started behaving like the oppresers in their own communities. The policy created a ruling class among the backwards which inturn wanted the rest of them to stay backward so that they could be controlled. So much for the benefit accorded by the decades of the policy for upliftment.

Now coming to the point of Minorities. Does the term minorities apply in a secular state? A Secular state is defined as one in which no one is discreminated on the basis of whatever faith he follows. So carrying forward that principle, why should anyone get reservations since everyone is equal? The worst enemy of the minorities are the leaders they elect. I once heard Ghulam Nabi Azad say it on the telly that Muslims can tolerate if they dint have fod, clothes or shelter but they cant tolerate if they dint have their own personal law. I still find it hard to believe that we have leaders like that. And that they claim to represent majority muslims.

I think its time we depended on the government to do something for us and instead believe that we can do something to help ourshelves. I think all religions and faiths agree with the adage - GOD HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSHELVES.