Showdown ka baap-A conversation on IM

[Habitual Perfectionist]

aimless_scud: hello

godessoflove54: Vote or die

aimless_scud: lol....I pity americans

aimless_scud: Bush n Kerry

godessoflove54: why

godessoflove54: do you know them personally

aimless_scud: what an awful choice to make

godessoflove54: or know what they could do for my country?

aimless_scud: I don't need to know them personally

godessoflove54: well i am a democract

aimless_scud: I know what they can do for YOUR country though

godessoflove54: and i stand for my country

aimless_scud: believe me...4 years from now...ppl are gonna say the same things for Kerry that they are saying for Bush now

godessoflove54: no they won't

godessoflove54: because bush winning

godessoflove54: was cheated

godessoflove54: the whole florida recount

aimless_scud: lol

aimless_scud: do you think elephants could've cheated when donkeys were in power?

godessoflove54: look dude i love kerry

godessoflove54: he is going to be the best president!

godessoflove54: and this is my first vote ever!

aimless_scud: best prez my ass

aimless_scud: thats good

aimless_scud: wish you all the best

godessoflove54: u are just so jealous

godessoflove54: of kerry

aimless_scud: why should i be?

godessoflove54: because over hear u have a voice

godessoflove54: and i don't mean to say anything about my country

godessoflove54: but over there u have no rights

godessoflove54: over anything

aimless_scud: lol

aimless_scud: what do you mean?

godessoflove54: like child exploitation

aimless_scud: Indian democracy is much more progressive than american

godessoflove54: prostituion

aimless_scud: you mean there's no child exploitation in the US:

aimless_scud: or theres no prostitution?

godessoflove54: there is no

aimless_scud: lol....child Exploitation...look at MJ

godessoflove54: they are child prostitites

aimless_scud: your celebrities indulge in child sodomy

godessoflove54: there!

godessoflove54: hello!

aimless_scud: as if you don't have them in the US

godessoflove54: no

godessoflove54: its jail bait

aimless_scud: the web is full of "Lolitas"

godessoflove54: those are pervs

aimless_scud: whatever...u do have them in the states

aimless_scud: more than you have them here

godessoflove54: well there roads are bad

godessoflove54: and pollution

godessoflove54: and people pee on the road

aimless_scud: hmmmm

godessoflove54: thats feces and dieases

aimless_scud: whatever you are saying for India...you have there in the states too

aimless_scud: you have ghettos there too

godessoflove54: nope

aimless_scud: people live in trucks

godessoflove54: do u know what ghettos means?

aimless_scud: yes...I do

godessoflove54: what?

aimless_scud: and India is just a 50 year old country.....post independence...whereas US is more than 250 years old

godessoflove54: ghetto is where really bad niggers live

aimless_scud: lol...and now you'll say there's racial discrimination in India

godessoflove54: they are aganist some muslim perople

aimless_scud: who is?

godessoflove54: like they always assume alllllllll MUSLIM ARE terrorists

aimless_scud: thats something americans started

godessoflove54: no

aimless_scud: not Indians

godessoflove54: india started that too

aimless_scud: after 9/11

godessoflove54: i watch movies

aimless_scud: lol....ignorant americans...enough said

aimless_scud: hey listen...let me put up this conversation on the boards and lets see what others have to say about it

aimless_scud: shall we?

godessoflove54: yeah whatever







Thoughts and comments invited.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Resh you did all that talk

[SimarikSmokin]

Yes Morphie i did, because they are some pros and cons about this country. However There is alot to say about this country which puts me in a shame, like invading iraq for no reason, killing innocent people.

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Yes Morphie i did, because they are some pros and cons about this country. However There is alot to say about this country which puts me in a shame, like invading iraq for no reason, killing innocent people.

The point here is not what you feel about America but the sorry picture you have of India. Let's see the things you've accused India of, one by one.



1. We don't have a voice : We do have a strong voice. India is one of the most mature democracies in the world. It also has a strong judiciary and an earnest constitution. Yes, illiteracy goes a long way in preventing people from making their voice heard....but the picture is changing now. Even people from the remotest of villages have started to recognise their rights and duties and the day is not far when we'll have a much more robust social support system.



2. Child exploitation : I won't deny the fact that child exploitation happens here. But, here too, people are recognising the truth. Law enforcement officials are tough on child exploiters. Finally, the most important part. You don't have a rampant child pornography culture in India. People here are much more sensitive to such isues.



3. Prostitution : The oldest profession in the world is also the most spread out probably. There is prostitution in every country. And as long as its not forced, I don't see anything wrong with prostitution. Further, social organisations and NGO's are doing their bit in the field of empowerment of prostitutes. Today, a prostitute's child can go to school without having to worry about barbs being pointed at him/her.



4. Pollution : Delhi has fast changed from being one of the world's most polluted cities to a clean and green zone everyone feels like being in. A model example that would surely be followed by other places.



5. People peeing & crapping on the road : Yes...we have that too...but that's again a fallout of illiteracy and poverty. Things are changing in this field too. Sulabh Shauchalays have showed the way and local governments are taking a lot of initiative on the sanitation front.



6. Racial discrimination : India has been one of the most racially tolerant countries in the world. There are abberations like Gujarat though, but they are the exception rather than the rule. This board itself is a vibrant example of India's Unity in Diversity.





More on this later. Ignorant Americans.

[asli_badmash]

SS you said all that... I am impressed.

[SimarikSmokin]

Thanks everyone! but come one somethings i said are true huh? i am not trying to say that i hate india, i love it i am proud to be an indian but, india is too sexist as in being too Male dominanted. Like for instance a Women was running the prime ministers chair do you think she would get support as much as a male would?



And india needs the younger generation standing up for things they believe in.

[The Jackal]

india is too sexist as in being too Male dominanted. Like for instance a Women was running the prime ministers chair do you think she would get support as much as a male would?

And india needs the younger generation standing up for things they believe in.

This coming from a citizen of a country which had no female president for 250 years.....

[Alexis]

I didnt read the whole transcript....I skimmed thru it a bit, however.



Im a democrat. But really, sometimes I feel bipartisan. But I know thats not the issue here. Bush and Kerry both are pitiful candidates. But since we saw what kind of job Bush did the past 4 years, giving someone else a chance seems like an intelligent choice.



Personally, after watching all 3 of the 90 minute presidential debates---I think Kerry is ready and serious enough to really make some good changes.

Now, sure the popular vote doesnt really count. The Electoral College will choose who they will. But I could hope.

[lonewolf]

Whoever said that child prostitution does not exist in India? And about child exploitation, whenever I go to samachar.com, I get to see news like father rapes his daughter or some old geezer rapes a single digit kid. There is so much going on in India, most of which is probably under the wraps because of "family prestige" going down or whatever. New brides are still being burnt and tortured today.. I have seen that most Indians still have the "frog-in-the-well" and "feel good" attitudes about India while conveniently ignoring the more serious issues which are rarely brought to stage.



I am not saying that the US is a land where everybody lives happily ever after, but if anyone tries to do something stupid, he pays for it. In India, many people just get away after horrible crimes because of various obligations to society or pressure from various sources.

[black wizard]

You had a mature(?) conversation with SS!!! Wow! thats hard to believe.

[Alexis]

You had a mature(?) conversation with SS!!! Wow! thats hard to believe.

She is full of surprises. Take it from someone who knows.

[Sharjeel]

Why? You lost in an argument to yer sis?

[SimarikSmokin]

thats what i was trying to make my point, that there are some wackos in india who like little children. I see that young kids from ages 12 are kidnapped and forced to be street walkers (prostitutes).

[Habitual Perfectionist]

SS....India did have a female prime minister who was in power for 3 terms and a bit.



Lonewolf.....I never said that sickos don't exist here. Sickos as in child rapists et al exist everywhere irrespective of the country, religion, race, creed and what not. What I said was that there isn't a rampant child pornography culture here. You won't see Indian websites showing nudes of minors etc. Child prostitution is not as big as many other countries in the Americas, Europe and S.E.Asia. Plus, the authorities are much more sensitive to these issues here.

[lonewolf]

Lonewolf.....I never said that sickos don't exist here. Sickos as in child rapists et al exist everywhere irrespective of the country, religion, race, creed and what not. What I said was that there isn't a rampant child pornography culture here. You won't see Indian websites showing nudes of minors etc. Child prostitution is not as big as many other countries in the Americas, Europe and S.E.Asia. Plus, the authorities are much more sensitive to these issues here.

Have you never heard of children being forced or lured into prostitution in Bombay and Goa? And have you already forgotten about Lakhireddy Balireddy (http://www.programmersguild.org/archives/lib/Reddy/ixp20000203reddy.htm) who "imported" Telugu child prostitutes into the US. Child prostitution is illegal in both countries, but in India it goes on and on under the tables. In the US, people get caught. Earlier this week, an Indian guy living here in Chicago (W Devon St) was arrested by the cops for downloading and watching child pornography on his personal computer at home. The US is not sitting quiet regarding child pornography. There are sickos in every country as you said. What counts is what the government is doing about it.



Its a joke if you say that the Indian government is more sensitive to issues like this. If any brothel in India is raided, all that the brothel owner has to do is shell out a few bucks to the cops, and the case is flushed down the toilet.

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Have you never heard of children being forced or lured into prostitution in Bombay and Goa? And have you already forgotten about Lakhireddy Balireddy (http://www.programmersguild.org/archives/lib/Reddy/ixp20000203reddy.htm) who "imported" Telugu child prostitutes into the US.

Shows where its more rampant. As for the bombay and Goa thing, as I said...it happens everywhere. its only that its still not all that rampant in India as it is in the places I mentioned earlier.

Child prostitution is illegal in both countries, but in India it goes on and on under the tables. In the US, people get caught.

If it was an under the table thing in India...how would so many ppl know about it? Are they all regular visitors to these places? or do these places advertise heavily?

Earlier this week, an Indian guy living here in Chicago (W Devon St) was arrested by the cops for downloading and watching child pornography on his personal computer at home. The US is not sitting quiet regarding child pornography. There are sickos in every country as you said. What counts is what the government is doing about it.

Its a joke if you say that the Indian government is more sensitive to issues like this. If any brothel in India is raided, all that the brothel owner has to do is shell out a few bucks to the cops, and the case is flushed down the toilet.

Regular prostitution? maybe...yes. But child prostitution...try it man and you'll see what happens when you get caught.