Do Hyderabadis need to know Telugu to live in Hyderabad?

by **Mayavi Morpheus** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 11:57 pm

Apologies if my post offends anyone.
 
 I have seen two disturbing comments here. One is upport for Nizam and the second is abusing telugu speaking people saying that they dont belong to hdyerabad.
 I may be ignorant and not as knowledgeable as some here or may be that I read \'Saffronized\' History (it fashionable say anything and everything saffronized these days), but can anyone tell me where the muslims came from to hyderabad? If Telugu speakers are not from Hdyerabad, then are urdu speakers (which I presume are muslims) from Hyderabad?
 What I am trying to say is that everyone who lives in Hyderabad may not be from Hyderabad, infact there was no Hyyerabad before QQ, so none is native if we go by that definiton. So please please please stop calling names and insulting others by saying that they are not hyderabadis.
 BTW, during Nizams rule all of telangana was called Hyderabad, so technically everyone is a Hyderabadi, if we follow History.
 My second point is about Nizams rule. Again I may have been blinded by \'saffronized Histrory\' (let it be) but AFAIK Nizam was to join Pak if not for sardar patels \'police action\'. Anyway, thats not a matter of concern for me, wahts of concern is that Nizam was Aurangajebs cronie. The last mughal emperor who defeated Quili Qutubshah and established an oppressive regime. QQ regime was great for Hdyerabad, but not Nizams. People were oppressed during his regime (not Hindus, it was muslims who were oppressed). They were made to pay taxes to the British out of their skin, they were used as slaves to build mansions for the kings. The best example is the Assembly building of AP, which was built by slave labour and gifted to the Nizam as Birthday present.
 Correct me if I am wrong. I am willing to learn.
 
 PS: Telugu speaker, whatever u said could be said in a more civilized way. Learn from postors on this board

by **IdontDiscriminate** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:16 am

MM-nice post.(and by the way you got most facts right!)
 
 like MM has pointed out and like we all know...Hyderabad was to be a pak state if it were not for the Indian Army and the then government.

by **Anil** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 8:40 am

Bravo! Keep it up guys! Good job indeed! Wow! fighting over a language using two alien languages - French and English! And thanks a lot dear moderator for turning a Nelson\'s eye. May be there weren\'t any grammatical errors or typos for weilding the ever-overzealous sword of editing! Anyway, no damage done. We are a vibrant nation, after all! However, be innovative guys. Telugu/Urdu, Telangana/Andhra, Pak/India, vegetarian/non-vegetarian, SC/BC/OC - these issues are becoming boring. What\'s happened to your imagination? Come up with something new so that we can use more French and may be even go back again to the stone age and start afresh! We have to be different. Why should progress be our forte?

by **TELUGU_SPEAKER** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:54 am

I only used this fool-language b\'coz tappez used the same thing saying that language is stupid ... this is stupid ... not to hurt others .... BTW, i\'m hydi from birth ... For ur infomartion, i speak good telugu, not telangana telugu ...
 
 For those who r teaching history, its basic knowledge, that there was no urdu(muslim) in india before arabs(mughal) empire ... thats is what i\'m saying ... Isn\'t it true that nizam refused to join with india??? I have many friends from muslim community & hindi speaking community, but no such arguements came between us, why b\'coz we not disceminate other relligions, languanges, cactes, beliefs ... But, when tappez said that word, i feel like slapping him big-time !!!

by **Mayavi Morpheus** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 11:16 am

Yeah Anil, these issues are boring, same everyday stuff we hear. Thats why I thought of two new issues, to creat seperatist movements.
 
 1. All Yindoos were dark skinned. If anyone is white skinned then he/she is not Indian, may be invading aryans. So white skinned Indians go Back, leave our India. For rest of world Indians are short, dark, skinny, rice/fish eaters, these white skinned \'settlers\' are spoiling our image

2. By the time I finished teh first, I forgot about the second issue. Will keep u posted.

by **Ali** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:47 pm

Hi,First of all mayawi u tell that u are safronised,and ur history may not be good,ya ur correct ur knowledge is really not good,but instead of telling,that ur Safronised,try to neutral not Safron or Green.Coming to Nizam’s rule,most of the development which was done in this deccan platue was only done in Nizams rule,Railway lines,Airports,Osmania University(Which was Asia’s best university,he also Funded Banaras Hindu Unicersity),many government buildings(which are now used by our government),Osman sagar dam,many industries,and much more,and during his period there was no incometax for the employes(u were telling people were suppressed),when Deccan Joined Indian union,its GPA was much much better than India.During his period there was communal harmonay.
 Coming to the word OPPRESSED(People were oppressed),1.If the distribution of the jobs were equal between all communities nearly according to there population,was oppression,I am happy to be oppressed,2.If there are no communal riots and people are not burnt alive(Gujrat and raped in by an OPPRESSED government(like Nizam’oppressed govt),then we people of India love to have that oppressed govt.3,If the Muslim community which was the ruling class of India for more than 1000years,and their scholars(Deobandi,barelwi,nadivitul ulema),who fought for the freedom struggle of India,and sacrifised their lives,yet they donot have proper recognition in todays text,and now the situation is not even 1% of muslims are in govt jobs and less than 1% in army and less than 3% in police,during oppressed govt(Nizam’s govt,or others in India before indpendence) the representation of muslims was more than 30%.Now the population of muslims in Inida is nearly 25%,and second largest muslim population after Indonesia,but without any repesentation.
 Note:Decide being not a HINDU or MUSLIM but as a neutral person who is oppressed and under whose rule INDIANS are oppressed.

by **JustaLittleUnwell** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 3:09 pm

Looking at this board, i\'m reminded of a joke which goes like this:
 
 US president George Bush, Chinese Premier whoever it is, and Indian Prime Minister Vajpayee - all the three get an opportunity to meet God. Bushie goes first and asks: \"God, when will the condition of my country improve?\" God replies: \"It\'ll improve after you step down from power\". Bush returns dissappointed. The Chinese premier goes next, asks the same question and gets a slightly different answer: \"Your country will improve upon your death\". At this, the Chinese becomes very emotional and cries, for he would not live to see a developed China. Now is the turn of our beloved Prime Minister, and on seeing him, it is God who uncontrollably weeps. After so much effort and persuasion, He stops crying. Then He says looking at our PM-ji: \"For your country to improve, I will have to die first\"

As long as we hang on to our religions and keep making a hue and cry about it, we will never improve, as this joke so truely reflects.

by **Ali** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 4:28 pm

Hi,ju´st a lilttle,I am also not much interested in this religious topics,but what to do some people like Mayawi and Raj donot want to leave in peace in India,and always,hurt other religion people.They do what actually our political leaders the thing,were our political leaders want Indian people to think,they donot want us to think about development of our country,whenever elections come politicians become more religious,or more secular depending on situation and for that period were people had to decide to elect the govt,they threw up issues like this which is not going to benefit us in any way.

by **Hyderabadi** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 5:27 pm

Hello,Happy ramzan to all first,donot fight with each other, in hyderabad all are brothers and sisters accept one for each.

by **jammer** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 6:11 pm

This is the holy month of Ramadan, please take care of tounge, please be fair, courteous and friendly with all, do not hurt your non-muslim brethren even by words. your namaaz and roza will be invalid if you do. try to set an example by your actions and character.

by **peeping tom** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 8:30 pm

present day muslims in Hyderabad seems to be poor. No proper growth. Financially, educationally, and in cleanliness. Any body will see the difference very easily between DIRTY OLD CITY AREAS and clean secunderabad areas. I really feel pity for the muslims of hyderabad. This answer is for tep.

by **Charminar** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 8:58 pm

Yeh u peep,what ur telling,some parts of unmaintained(bcos of governments and people,like u who just tell take votes,and do nothing)old city might not be good but the old city people are pretty neat.And people like u who donot clean with water after u urinate(What we call taharat)all urine drops will fell inside ur pants,bcos of not cleaning ana u people are telling that the people of old city are not neat,first of all clean ur self(take water after urinating).The matter that some parts of old are not clean,is not bcos of people their its bcos of municipal corporation (which has people like u ,who just take saliries and votes) and not bcos of old city people.And why u r pointing to muslims in hyderabad their are hindus also,so u ned not fel petty for us.

by **Mayavi Morpheus** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 3:07 am

Ali, its unfortunate that u see religious bigotry in my post. May be u lack comprehending abilities or my english is bad.
 Coming to saffronized history, I am yet to read any such thing. BJP didnt rule India before 1997 and never ruled hyderabad. So whatever history I read was communist view of India and Indian culture. Not hindu view. If History was saffronized, then I wouldnt have know about the Golden age of Quili Qutubshah, nor would I read about Tippu Sultan.
 I dunno ur allegiance to Nizam, but its widely know, researched about Nizams rule of Hyderabad, his affluence and his oppressive regime [Razakars were definitely not saints]. All the magnificient buildings he constructed have a dark history of slave labour, if u donot want to acknowledge it, then I cant help it. And TAX FREE regime is the last thing u can associate with Nizam, the common man had to pay the high taxes both for Nizam and British (How can Nizam afford all the palaces?). IT WAS THE NIZAM RULE THAT SPAWNED THE FEUDALISM IN TELANGANA REGION, THE RESULTS OF WHICH TELANGANITES ARE EXPERIENCING EVEN TODAY. THE REGION IS POOR AND LAND LORDS STILL EXIST, FIGURE OUT WHAT \'BANCHAN NEE KALMOKKUTHA\' IS AND WHY IT WAS COINED].Did u ever spare a thought about Why Britishers left Nizam to Rule Hyderabad, while the rest of country\'s pricely states were annexed, even the GREAT MUGHAL was not spared. Thats definitley something you would want to think about. Nizam was the greatest ally of british empire.
 And why this hatred, I am just condemning Nizam rule, certainly not the muslims. Why do u take it personally? Is there any rule that muslim should not be accused however bad they may be? WHAT U RE DOING IS AKIN TO SOME FASCIST HINDUS SUPPORTING MODI GOVERNMENT.
 I Could\'ve counter attacked you by saying that picked up distorted GREEN history which glorifies Nizam,(just like you did \'cos my version of story wasn\'t to your liking), but I wouldnt want to do that.
 Your lack of knowledge is evident from the fact that you qouted Muslim population as 25% of Indian population, while it is only 14%, less than Paksitan or Bangladesh population and certainly not the worlds second largest. It is worlds second largest for a SECULAR country. Indonesia being first SECUALR country. Regarding Low percentage of Muslims in government offices, I am also looking for an answer. why is the percentage so low? Why is the poverty so high amongst muslims (Indian percapita is 590$, muslim per capita is around 200$) Why is child labour so high amongst muslims of India? Why is the literacy levels so low? I am looking for answers.

by **peeping tom** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 6:55 pm

Hey Charminar really beleive me, I am not against muslims. Dont get excited. I feel really really sad for their financial position now. I am sorry for my comments over old city areas. The marwadis( Rajasthanis) who came as skilled labourers during Nizam s period have occupied the properties slowly over the time.Native citizens like you and me are becoming 2nd class now.

by **Charminar** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 7:23 pm

Hi,TOM,Sorry from my side also,but ur message was pointing towards only muslims,ya u are correct,we native people(Hindu,Muslims and Christians,of telengana and Deccan)are really suffering at the hands of marwaris,Andhra people who left their native places and made huge properties and we people need to work under them more or less like neighbours.Sorry yar once again,but donot hurt sentiments of Hyderabadis,u should understand bcos ur also a Hyderabadi

by **Ramesh** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 9:38 pm

If people like us who are all well educated fight over this petty issue of Muslim or Hindu, then think about those poor illiterate souls!
 It was all started by Telugu-Speaker.

by **TELUGU-SPEAKER** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 8:27 am

Hey, ramesh, first see properly and post ...
 what i started, see what tappebaz wrote, i replied to that ... i don\'t hate muslims, but people like tappez, why should he point at one language and say bad abt it

by **Ramesh** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:02 am

I am Sorry.

by **Ramesh** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:03 am

I am Sorry Telugu-Speaker.

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