Torture, force-feeding and darkness at noon: Guantanamo Bay

[Portuguese Man-Of-War]

http://www.kuwaitifreedom.org/media/pdf ... 202006.pdf



Thomas Wilner

Los Angeles Times

February 26, 2006



THE AMERICAN PRISON CAMP at Guantanamo Bay is on the southeast corner of Cuba, a sliver of land the United States has occupied since 1903. Long ago, it was irrigated from lakes on the other side of the island, but Cuban President Fidel Castro cut off the water supply years ago. So today, Guantanamo produces its own water from a 30-year-old desalination plant. The water has a distinct yellow tint. All Americans drink bottled water imported by the planeload. Until recently, prisoners drank the yellow water.



The prison overlooks the sea, but the ocean cannot be seen by prisoners. Guard towers and stadium lights loom along the perimeter. On my last visit, we were escorted by young, solemn military guards whose nameplates on their shirts were taped over so that prisoners could not identify them.



Very few outsiders are allowed to see the prisoners. The government has orchestrated some carefully controlled tours for the media and members of Congress, but has repeatedly refused to allow these visitors, representatives of the United Nations, human rights groups or nonmilitary doctors and psychiatrists to meet or speak with prisoners. So far, the only outsiders who have done so are representatives of the International Committee of the Red Cross — who are prohibited by their own rules from disclosing what they find — and lawyers for the prisoners.



I am one of those lawyers. I represent six Kuwaiti prisoners, each of whom has now spent nearly four years at Guantanamo. It took me 2 1/2 years to gain access to my clients, but now I have visited the prison camp 11 times in the last 14 months. What I have witnessed is a cruel and eerie netherworld of concrete and barbed wire that has become a daily nightmare for the nearly 500 people swept up after 9/11 who have been imprisoned without charges or trial for more than four years. It is truly our American gulag.



On my most recent trip three weeks ago, after signing a log sheet and submitting our bags to a search, my colleagues and I were taken through two tall, steel-mesh gates into the interior of the prison camp.



We interviewed our clients in Camp Echo, one of several camps where prisoners are interrogated. We entered a room about 13 feet square and divided in half by a wall of thick steel mesh. On one side was a table where the prisoner would sit for our interviews, his feet shackled to a steel eyelet cemented to the floor. On the other side were a shower and a cell just like the ones in which prisoners are ordinarily confined. In their cells, prisoners sleep on a metal shelf against the wall, which is flanked by a toilet and sink. They are allowed a thin foam mattress and a gray cotton blanket.



The Pentagon's files on the six Kuwaiti prisoners we represent reveal that none was captured on a battlefield or accused of engaging in hostilities against the U.S. The prisoners claim that they were taken into custody by Pakistani and Afghan warlords and turned over to the U.S. for bounties ranging from $5,000 to $25,000 — a claim confirmed by American news reports. We have obtained copies of bounty leaflets distributed in Afghanistan and Pakistan by U.S. forces promising rewards — "enough to feed your family for life" — for any "Arab terrorist" handed over.



The files include only the flimsiest accusations or hearsay that would never stand up in court. The file on one prisoner indicated that he had been seen talking to two suspected Al Qaeda members on the same day — at places thousands of miles apart. The primary "evidence" against another was that he was captured wearing a particular Casio watch, "which many terrorists wear." Oddly, the same watch was being worn by the U.S. military chaplain, a Muslim, at Guantanamo.



When I first met my clients, they had not seen or spoken with their families for more than three years, and they had been questioned hundreds of times. Several were suspicious of us; they told me that they had been interrogated by people who claimed to be their lawyers but who turned out not to be. So we had DVDs made, on which members of their families told them who we were and that we could be trusted. Several cried on seeing their families for the first time in years. One had become a father since he was detained and had never before seen his child. One noticed his father was not on the DVD, and we had to tell him that his father had died.



Most prisoners are kept apart, although some can communicate through the steel mesh or concrete walls that separate their cells. They exercise alone, some only at night. They had not seen sunlight for months — an especially cruel tactic in a tropical climate. One prisoner told me, "I have spent almost every moment of the last three years, and eaten every meal, here in this small cell which is my bathroom." Other than the Koran, prisoners had nothing to read. As a result of our protests, some have been given books.



Every prisoner I've interviewed claims to have been badly beaten and subjected to treatment that only could be called torture, by Americans, from the first day of U.S. captivity in Pakistan and Afghanistan. They said they were hung by their wrists and beaten, hung by their ankles and beaten, stripped naked and paraded before female guards, and given electric shocks. At least three claimed to have been beaten again upon arrival in Guantanamo. One of my clients, Fayiz Al Kandari, now 27, said his ribs were broken during an interrogation in Pakistan. I felt the indentation in his ribs. "Beat me all you want, just give me a hearing," he said he told his interrogators.



Another prisoner, Fawzi Al Odah, 25, is a teacher who left Kuwait City in 2001 to work in Afghan, then Pakistani, schools. After 9/11, he and four other Kuwaitis were invited to dinner by a Pakistani tribal leader and then sold by him into captivity, according to their accounts, later confirmed by Newsweek and ABC News.



On Aug. 8, 2005, Fawzi, in desperation, went on a hunger strike to assert his innocence and to protest being imprisoned for four years without charges. He said he wanted to defend himself against any accusations, or die. He told me that he had heard U.S. congressmen had returned from tours of Guantanamo saying that it was a Caribbean resort with great food. "If I eat, I condone these lies," Fawzi said.



At the end of August, after Fawzi fainted in his cell, guards began to force-feed him through tubes pushed up his nose into his stomach. At first, the tubes were inserted for each feeding and then removed afterward. Fawzi told me that this was very painful. When he tried to pull out the tubes, he was strapped onto a stretcher with his head held by many guards, which was even more painful.



By mid-September, the force-feeding had been made more humane. Feeding tubes were left in and the formula pumped in. Still, when I saw Fawzi, a tube was protruding from his nose. Drops of blood dripped as we talked. He dabbed at it with a napkin.



We asked for Fawzi's medical records so we could monitor his weight and his health. Denied. The only way we could learn how Fawzi was doing was to visit him each month, which we did. When we visited him in November, his weight had dropped from 140 pounds to 98 pounds. Specialists in enteral feeding advised us that the continued drop in his weight and other signs indicated that the feeding was being conducted incompetently. We asked that Fawzi be transferred to a hospital. Again, the government refused.



When we saw Fawzi in December, his weight had stabilized at about 110 pounds. The formulas had been changed, and he was being force-fed by medical personnel rather than by guards.



When I met with Fawzi three weeks ago, the tubes were out of his nose. I told him I was thankful that after five months he had ended his hunger strike. He looked at me sadly and said, "They tortured us to make us stop." At first, he said, they punished him by taking away his "comfort items" one by one: his blanket, his towel, his long pants, his shoes. They then put him in isolation. When this failed to persuade him to end the hunger strike, he said, an officer came to him Jan. 9 to announce that any detainee who refused to eat would be forced onto "the chair." The officer warned that recalcitrant prisoners would be strapped into a steel device that pulled their heads back, and that the tubes would be forced in and wrenched out for each feeding. "We're going to break this hunger strike," the officer told him.



Fawzi said he heard the prisoner next door screaming and warning him to give up the strike. He decided that he wasn't "on strike to be tortured." He said those who continued on the hunger strike not only were strapped in "the chair" but were left there for hours; he believes that guards fed them not only nutrients but also diuretics and laxatives to force them to defecate and urinate on themselves in the chair.



After less than two weeks of this treatment, the strike was over. Of the more than 80 strikers at the end of December, Fawzi said only three or four were holding out. As a result of the strike, however, prisoners are now getting a meager ration of bottled water.



Fawzi said eating was the only aspect of life at Guantanamo he could control; forcing him to end the hunger strike stripped him of his last means of protesting his unjust imprisonment. Now, he said, he feels "hopeless."



The government continues to deny that there is any injustice at Guantanamo. But I know the truth.





Thomas Wilner is a partner at Shearman & Sterling, which has been representing Kuwaiti prisoners in Guantanamo since early 2002.

[*****]

Fearing militants or even their own governments, some prisoners at Guantanamo Bay from China, Saudi Arabia and other nations do not want to go home, according to transcripts of hearings at the U.S. prison in Cuba.



Uzbekistan, Yemen, Algeria and Syria are also among the countries to which detainees do not want to return. The inmates have told military tribunals that they or their families could be tortured or killed if they are sent back.



President Bush has said the United States transfers detainees to other countries only when it receives assurances that they will not be tortured. Critics say such assurances are useless. The U.S. has released or transferred 267 prisoners and has announced plans to do the same with at least 123 more in the future.



Inmates have told military tribunals they worry about reprisals from militants who will suspect them of cooperating with U.S. authorities in its war on terror. Others say their own governments may target them for reasons that have nothing to do with why they were taken to Guantanamo Bay in the first place.



A man from Syria who was detained along with his father pleaded with the tribunal for help getting them political asylum -- in any country that will take them.



"You've been saying 'terrorists, terrorists.' If we return, whether we did something or not, there's no such things as human rights. We will be killed immediately," he said. "You know this very well."



It is impossible to know how many of the detainees, most held for years now without being charged, fear going home. The U.S. military does not comment on individual cases, and the detainees generally are not in a position to offer any evidence of persecution as they plead their cases before the tribunals.



A Saudi identified only as Yasim, who said he attended an al-Qaida training camp in Afghanistan and was jailed in his country for selling drugs, told the tribunal that after being repeatedly interrogated at Guantanamo, he fears his fellow prisoners as well as others back in Saudi Arabia.



"I can't go back to my country. I have been threatened to be killed by many people," he said, according to the transcripts, which the Pentagon released Friday in response to a Freedom of Information Act Lawsuit filed by The Associated Press.



A detainee from Uzbekistan told the tribunals in December 2004 that his father and uncles were jailed for their Muslim faith in his native country and said he fears the rest of his family would be tortured if he returned.



The prisoner shrugged off the threat to his own safety in Uzbekistan, where the government has clamped down on Islamic groups which are not sanctioned by the state.



"I'm not afraid to die. We all belong to Allah and we shall return to him," he said.



This Uzbek's fate is unknown, as is that of almost every other detainee whose names are no longer blacked out when they appear in the hearing transcripts. The Bush administration has not said who has been held in the prison it opened in January 2002, and does not announce when or where individual detainees are released.



What the Pentagon has said is that 187 prisoners have been released, and 80 others have been transferred to prisons in more than a dozen countries, including Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Russia, Bahrain and Pakistan. An unknown number of these prisoners were later released, but many languish in other jails, again without charges, let alone trials.



"We have no authority to tell another government what they are going to do with a detainee," Pentagon spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Flex Plexico told the AP a year ago when asked about dozens of Pakistani prisoners transferred home for continued detention.



The personal threats that detainees may face after leaving Guantanamo Bay pose a human rights challenge to the United States, which has stopped bringing new prisoners to the camp and is under international pressure to close it altogether.



"This policy of handing over prisoners to countries that the U.S. challenges on their human rights abuses is a sham and it opens the United States to charges of hypocrisy around the world," said Rep. Edward Markey, a Massachusetts Democrat who has sought passage of a bill that would ban the U.S. from sending prisoners to other countries to face torture.



In the case of one group of prisoners, Muslims from western China known as Uighurs, the U.S. has struggled to find a solution.



A military tribunal has determined that five are "no longer enemy combatants" and can be released from Guantanamo Bay. The U.S. agrees they could face persecution back in China but so far has not found a third country to take them.



For now, the Uighurs are being kept at Camp Iguana, a privileged section of the prison with televisions, stereos and a view of the Caribbean.



A Uighur told a military tribunal that he feared going back to China so much, he considered trying to convince the panel that he was guilty, according to a hearing transcript.



"If I am sent back to China, they will torture me really bad," said the man, whose name did not appear in the transcript. "They will use dogs. They will pull out my nails."



Two of the Uighurs are appealing a federal judge's rejection of their request to be released in the United States, where a family in the Washington suburbs has offered to take them in.



"Home is China, and in China you disappear into a dungeon and no one ever hears from you again," said their lawyer, Sabin Willett. "These guys are not a risk to anyone. They should be released here."





Associated Press Writer Paul Haven contributed to this story from Pakistan.

[DQ]

MM the scared *******



So much for accepting and condoning. On the one hand you expect every body to accept your prismatic view on the other hand you dare not condone whats wrong.



Whats your point, just beacuse there is a possibility of people being tortured in their home countries we will pick them up ad torture them ?

[mango]

uhh.. i believe its called war? i frankly thing the government, the americans need to do a hands off extraction where we can hire the israelis or chinese with their massive experience in interrogation would be a lot more productive. that being said, in order to fight these "freedom fighters" you need to go down to their level and kill them (scare the shit out of them). the only way you can hurt someone who isn't scared of dying is to degrade them, as was done in Abu Ghraib. Hell, I stand by those american soldiers who did that and i hope, for god's sakes, they are still doing it and the media hasnt heard about it. How about them apples?

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Son, not everyone in Abu Gharib is a terrorrist. Many are ordinary citizens who were picked up and tortured by americans on mere suscpicion!

Gitmo, now that is different. Everyone there is either a terrorrist or a would be terrorrist or a sympathizer. Only the special kind get the privilage to go to Gitmo, the hard to crack nuts. The other riff-raff are sent to the eastern european countries, the erstwhile soviet block, where torture is efficeintly used to extract information. Ask any plane spotter in these countries and they will vouch that they have seen CIA planes land in the dark of the night and then quickly disappear into south. Everyone knows this but they choose to look away.



DQ, hiding behind fakes nicks is something your kind is good at, not me. I do not need to hide behind a fake nick to call a spade a spade.

[*****]

The other riff-raff are sent to the eastern european countries, the erstwhile soviet block, where torture is efficeintly used to extract information. Ask any plane spotter in these countries and they will vouch that they have seen CIA planes land in the dark of the night and then quickly disappear into south. Everyone knows this but they choose to look away.

and your source being?

[Mayavi Morpheus]

There is this british ambassador to Ukraine or some other former soviet block country who came to know this and protested. He was recalled and later summarily dismissed from service. He has written a book on how US/UK is using eastern european countries as torture chambers to get information, this book will be released in US. As for plane spotters, you will find many on internet fora.

[mango]

Son, not everyone in Abu Gharib is a terrorrist. Many are ordinary citizens who were picked up and tortured by americans on mere suscpicion!

hmm... you're right about the population. maybe my perception of collateral damage is slightly different since i really dont give a damn about anybody there except the american soldiers..

Gitmo, now that is different. Everyone there is either a terrorrist or a would be terrorrist or a sympathizer. Only the special kind get the privilage to go to Gitmo, the hard to crack nuts.

i agree - i dont really see a problem with american interrogation tactics used in gitmo. if anything, they are a little too soft on these bastards who'd slit our throats in a heartbeat..

[Peeved HP]

Son, not everyone in Abu Gharib is a terrorrist. Many are ordinary citizens who were picked up and tortured by americans on mere suscpicion!

hmm... you're right about the population. maybe my perception of collateral damage is slightly different since i really dont give a damn about anybody there except the american soldiers..

And what makes you care for the american soldiers? A sense of patriotism? Or the kick of being on the seemingly winning side? And then they talk of human rights.

Gitmo, now that is different. Everyone there is either a terrorrist or a would be terrorrist or a sympathizer. Only the special kind get the privilage to go to Gitmo, the hard to crack nuts.

i agree - i dont really see a problem with american interrogation tactics used in gitmo. if anything, they are a little too soft on these bastards who'd slit our throats in a heartbeat..

What information does one expect from interrogating vegetables? Would it change your mindset if you knew that after going through the torture, there's not much left to interrogate. The real reason for them being at Gitmo is not interrogation but generation of fear. Heard about chinese gulags by any chance boyo?

[Arch]

Um. I see that there is a discussion going on here. Good. I wish to sit back and watch, as a parent and as well as a Hyderabadi, an Indian and an American citizen too.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

hmm... you're right about the population. maybe my perception of collateral damage is slightly different since i really dont give a damn about anybody there except the american soldiers..

I think you should start giving a damn, because these are innocent civilians being killed due to heavy handed american military which is ill-trained to handle an insurgency.

The more innocents that are killed, the more that take up weapons and the more american soldiers that would be killed. Now there would always be a section of people who do not like american presence in Iraq and who will take up arms, you can't do anything about this. There will be another section who are just plain terrorrists and you can't do anything about them either. But much can be done about people who are being dragged into insurgency because of bad american policies. Winning their confidence would go a long way in making iraq a stable country.

[mango]

so what exactly is the american military policy towards iraq/ its citizens supposed to be so that they dont kill any more of our soldiers?

[mango]

And what makes you care for the american soldiers? A sense of patriotism? Or the kick of being on the seemingly winning side? And then they talk of human rights.

um.. yeah both. a very strong sense of patriotism and being on the winning side - got that one down pat, bro.

human rights are purely bullshit. everyone knows that.. it only comes up when its convenient to do so.. nothing but a racket to raise money.. lets see amnesty international and all the so called human right organizations go protest china and the arab countries.. oh wait a minute, thats never happened. why you ask? hmm.. maybe because there are no freedoms in these countries, which are considered HUMAN RIGHTS in the US of A?

i agree - i dont really see a problem with american interrogation tactics used in gitmo. if anything, they are a little too soft on these bastards who'd slit our throats in a heartbeat..

What information does one expect from interrogating vegetables? Would it change your mindset if you knew that after going through the torture, there's not much left to interrogate. The real reason for them being at Gitmo is not interrogation but generation of fear. Heard about chinese gulags by any chance boyo?[/quote]



yeah.. i have heard about the gulags -_-



i believe theres ways to interrogate people, without turning them into vegetables.. (i have no idea what kind of torture ur thinking of) its called inflicting pain without evidence, which is already done. however, lawyers and the like hinder the speed with which it can be done and thats why we have guantanamo!

[Mayavi Morpheus]

so what exactly is the american military policy towards iraq/ its citizens supposed to be so that they dont kill any more of our soldiers?

The best policy would have been to not go into Iraq at all. But since you have gone in there, take casualities and stand firm. Don't kill any more iraqis... not by aerial bombing atleast.
It was america that wanted to liberate them remember? They didn't ask to be liberated.
To give a crude analogy, when you decide to rape a woman, be prepared for some resistance, scratches, bites and kicks. Do not beat her up for putting up resistance, rape is enough!

Now, how do you win this war in Iraq? Look to other countries for guidance. India, for example, has rich experience in dealing with insurgencies. It has been fighting insurgents ever since it became independant. In Somalia, Indian peace keeping force has set a good example of how to win peoples confidence. Where the US army went in with all guns blazing and killed 1000's of somalians and 18 of their own (Black Hawk Down) and later had to retreat, Indian Army went in and brought normalcy. Unlike US which sent in special forces with 50 cal guns, Indians sent doctors with medicine and food. See the difference?

Also in Kashmir IA learnt valuable lessons and adapted. In the inital years brute force was applied to put down the resistance. It only became worse. They later changed tactics and became people friendly, now the indegenous rebel is almost dead and 80% of the terrorrists are foreign. It took 10 years for Indian to learn the lessons. US can adapt these tactics and do not have to reinvent the wheel.

human rights are purely bullshit. everyone knows that..

Well, this the stick america uses to beat up other countries.

[DQ]

MM Satisfied with your raves.



Human rights BS

Repect what is that

Terror is the inthing



Oh its my local shopping mall not humans and world i am talking about. Kill them all we can build another Gay world.. Hulla bo ho

[mango]

MM Satisfied with your raves.

Human rights BS

glad you understood that.. since most of the world doesnt really have these, it really is BS. no one said thats the way its supposed to be, but thats life. Name a country which gives you "human rights"

Repect what is that

respect - its something you earn.. not something you're given.

Terror is the inthing

Oh its my local shopping mall not humans and world i am talking about. [/quote]

uh, whos raving again?

Kill them all we can build another Gay world.. Hulla bo ho

if you're into that sort of thing, good for you. just do me a favor and keep that to yourself. how about sticking to the issue at hand buddy?





lets recap for DQ:



yeah.. u dont "get" respect; you earn it. Human rights are EARNED. It's sad, but its true. The HROs that exist now exist purely to push the left wing agenda in the United States and the Western world. I'm not claiming that the notion of human rights is not noble. It's a little too 1984 for me.. Government respecting your rights? when did this happen. Its really degrees of harassment by the government. On one hand, you have the dictators such as Kim Jong Il and the now deposed Saddam Hussein who tortured/killed their people(their own citizens), starved them to boost weapons programs and allowed no political dissent. Now lets look at the other side of the "human rights" offenders, unless you want to lump the US in with them. Wiretapping, possiblity of being sent to Guantanamo if you screw around with terrorist ideas and recieving clean clothes, nutritious food, doctors, and in between this heaven that they have, they are "tortured" (as i claimed... not enough, but thats besides the point). If we want to address the Iraqi human rights offenses, fine, i'll concede that there probably have been some committed and there is really no justification for it in the international sense, but when american soldiers are being blown up due to roadside bombs, and when its a war zone, certain unpleasant things will have to be done in order to protect american lives.

[DQ]

Call to grant American citizenship to all, only way you can be free.



Hail Freedom



Hail America. !!! Yup yop yop!!



Hail Bush !!!Yup yop yop!!



Hail freedom movement 100,000 lives lost. Saves my live



Hail freedom kill the bastards. Saves my life



Hail democracy. Rape and sodomise kids. Saves my Life



Hail evolution. Murder a generation. Saves my Life



Up excuse me, wernt we the ones supporting this despot saddam when he gassed his people.



Shut the F a k up.



Hail Freedom. torture the millions



These third world bastards deserve nothing but stun!!! kill them all fanatic morons.



Hail the Freedom movement. Our free world.

[mango]

The best policy would have been to not go into Iraq at all. But since you have gone in there, take casualities and stand firm. Don't kill any more iraqis... not by aerial bombing atleast.
It was america that wanted to liberate them remember? They didn't ask to be liberated.

I beg to differ. The Kurds had asked for American aid since the early 80s. If it happened to be conevenient at that point, hey! it works.

To give a crude analogy, when you decide to rape a woman, be prepared for some resistance, scratches, bites and kicks. Do not beat her up for putting up resistance, rape is enough![/quote]

thats pretty damn crude and i dont really see any parallels between rape and defending yourself (ie. american soldiers going on the offensive) find a better analogy bro.. something that fits

Now, how do you win this war in Iraq? Look to other countries for guidance. India, for example, has rich experience in dealing with insurgencies. It has been fighting insurgents ever since it became independant. In Somalia, Indian peace keeping force has set a good example of how to win peoples confidence. Where the US army went in with all guns blazing and killed 1000's of somalians and 18 of their own (Black Hawk Down) and later had to retreat, Indian Army went in and brought normalcy. Unlike US which sent in special forces with 50 cal guns, Indians sent doctors with medicine and food. See the difference?

The reason the Somalia thing didn't work is because the liberal second coming, Bill Clinton was too dumb to invade the damn place and send our massive troop reinforcements. In Iraq, american funded hospitals, schools, fire stations and all that kind of civil infrastructure is being built. what else are we supposed to do? i would leave now, but the job is pretty much unfinished and we cant leave that as a haven for terrorists.

Also in Kashmir IA learnt valuable lessons and adapted. In the inital years brute force was applied to put down the resistance. It only became worse. They later changed tactics and became people friendly, now the indegenous rebel is almost dead and 80% of the terrorrists are foreign. It took 10 years for Indian to learn the lessons. US can adapt these tactics and do not have to reinvent the wheel.

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I cant really speak for that since I dont have much knowledge regarding Kashmir and Indian army tactics.

Well, this the stick america uses to beat up other countries.

say what?

[mango]

Call to grant American citizenship to all, only way you can be free.

not really. thats already a little too out there - our immigration policy needs to be fixed as to allow fewer people in who are capable of contributing intellectually and economically to the american country.

Hail Freedom

Hail America. !!! Yup yop yop!!

couldn't agree with that any more

Hail Bush !!!Yup yop yop!!

not really, he's a little too left for me. and he's pretty dumb

Hail freedom movement 100,000 lives lost. Saves my live

Hail freedom kill the bastards. Saves my life

rather them than me. i believe its called self preservation.

Hail democracy. Rape and sodomise kids. Saves my Life

there you go again with the sexual mania (possibly homosexual). please, take that to another forum.. i believe there are a lot more places appropriate for this kind of exposure you wish to seek.

Hail evolution. Murder a generation. Saves my Life

um, yeah.. if you're stuck in the 10th century blowing up statues, slitting peoples throats, not letting women drive just because they are women, throwing homosexuals off buildings and allowing no political dissent, then yes. you were bright, for once. its natural selection.

Up excuse me, wernt we the ones supporting this despot saddam when he gassed his people.

means to an end. we look out for ourselves and we did.

Shut the F a k up.

if you're gonna say _, say it. i believe its a FREE COUNTRY. the third world bastards who want to kill americans, yeah.. kill them all. no regrets.

Hail Freedom. torture the millions

we dont torture anywhere close to a million people. you might want to put that crack pipe down and go out for a bit.

These third world bastards deserve nothing but stun!!! kill them all fanatic morons.

i believe i addressed that already when i talked about your 10th century ilk.

Hail the Freedom movement. Our free world.

yes. hail freedom.



btw, seems an awful like a HRO pushing its agenda in a very creative manner. did it take you most of your adult life to come up with that or did you just come upon that upon your escapades on one of the sex forums that you frequent. goddamn. stick to the issue and speak to it in a rational manner. then again, it is DQ.

[CtrlAltDel]

...stick to the issue and speak to it in a rational manner...

:lol: thats too much to ask from DQ!!!





btw, for the record, i do not approve of the torture, violations etc hapning at gitmo...i see absolutely no reason why any thinking individual would support all that, other than to blindly support the american forces..

[mango]

meh.. i dont explicitly approve of torture, but it IS necessary when you're fighting this sort of enemy who doesn't fear death. However, I think degradation of the terrorists (Abu Ghraib style) works a lot better by ripping at their egos, but not really phsyically injuring them. Don't you think?

[DQ]

Hail the ripper. Every Rapist in town get behind "Mango".



The new messiah of all the rapist and the sodomisers.



Hail "Mango". - Kill - Murder - Sodomise



The new world order for liberation and freedom "Hail Mango"



Symbolising degradation. Fascism is real for all those who thought it was a myth.



Hail Mango

[mango]

Hail the ripper. Every Rapist in town get behind "Mango".

The new messiah of all the rapist and the sodomisers.

Hail "Mango". - Kill - Murder - Sodomise

The new world order for liberation and freedom "Hail Mango"

Symbolising degradation. Fascism is real for all those who thought it was a myth.

Hail Mango

you're the one who loves rapists.. why don't you visit a couple in prison hmm? You're the one pushing murder, rape and sodomy.. what is your incessant obession with gay sex/sodomy.. this keeps coming up over and over in your posts. as i've previously stated, this is not the forum for your sexually deviant art to come out.



new world order.. please! get off that damn pipe and have a civilized conversation. then again, based on your prior tendencies to rant and digress from the topic at hand are telling of your inability to hold a thought for more than 10 seconds. you might wnat to try ritalin or lithium to clam yourself down. let us know how that works out for ya.

[samai]

Naushad released from Saudi prison

Kollam (Kerala) April. 5 (PTI): Naushad, the Keralite who was slapped with an eye-for-an-eye punishment for damaging an eye of a Saudi national in Saudi Arabia, has been released after three years in prison, according to the Chief Minister's Office here.

Naushad is expected to be back here by late this evening, sources said.

Naushad had damaged the eye of the Saudi national during a scuffle at a petrol pump where he was employed.

The Saudi national pardoned Naushad a few months back after the Keralite's wife and mother petitioned the Saudi King.

According to information received here, Naushad will be flown to India by a flight leaving Damamam late this evening.

Abdul Latheef Naushad, the lone breadwinner of a poor family at Anchal in Kollam district, was working at a petrol pump at Dammam when his life took an unfortunate turn three years back.

A Sharia court in Saudi Arabia had ordered that one of his eyes be gouged and sent him to prison for causing severe damage to the eye of a Saudi national during a scuffle at the work place.

Naushad's plight and the harrowing wait of his family, comprising his mother, wife and two kids was brought to light by the media last year. Following this, the state and central governments brought the case to the notice of Saudi Arabian authorities exploring possibilities for his release.

The hopes of Naushad's release brightened during the visit of the Saudi King Abdullah to Delhi as chief guest for the Republic Day celebrations this year.

The Indian Government then took up the case with the Saudi sovereign who offered to make use of his good offices to spare Naushad the punishment and get him released from jail. The stage for Naushad's release was set after the aggrieved Saudi national agreed to take a merciful view of the case.