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[QUH]

Bride dies of shock after ‘wrong’ man puts sindur





Patna, March 6: A bride in Hazaribagh district of the Jharkhand died of shock when the groom refused to tie the nuptial knot with her as another man had put vermilion on her forehead before him. Vikas Ram of Kiyad village was to marry Renu Kumari of Pandeypura village on Saturday. The marriage party had arrived at Pandeypura with the groom on time. A local priest started performing rituals to solemnise the marriage. But no sooner was Vikas asked to put the vermilion (sindur) on the forehead of the bride that another man, Ram Dular Mahto, 40, took everyone by surprise and did the same.



The priest told Renu’s family that, according to Hindu tradition, a man who puts vermilion on the forehead of a girl was her husband. The groom then refused to marry Renu and despite much persuasion he and his family members left the village without marrying her. The villagers of Pandeypura caught Ram Dular and handed him over to the police. The bride, Renu, died of shock soon afterwards. Reports said that Ram Dular and Renu had an affair but the girl’s family had turned down a marriage proposal as the man was much older than Renu.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Hindu Ritual : Man refuses to marry a girl after he finds that the bride had an affair with another man, who ceremonially marries her pre-empting her marriage to another person. Whole family and relatives plead the groom to marry the woman over-riding the fact that she is already married according to tradition.



^^ Bad bad hindus and bad bad hinduism. The religion clearly says that vermilion = marriage, how dare they question it



Muslim Ritual: Girl has an affair with another man, family finds it just before her marriage to another guy.Groom is ready to marry, but not the bride, so father encourages his son to slit the brides throat at home in london/on a busy street in denmark/ in a hotel in lebanon etc etc with full support of relatives and community



^^ Religion in its purest form. No bugs detected!



In essence what DQ is saying is that Hinduism is _ up because people don't kill their daughters after finding out that they are in love with another man like they do in the religion of the pure. The priest is the culprit here because he tried to prevent forceful marriage by invoking religion.



^^ Bad religion called Hinduism and bad priests.



Did someone mention that a man was ordered by a sharia court in UP to divorce his wife because he happened to utter Talaq three times in a drunken state?? The man never really wanted to divorce and neither did his wife. But tripple talaq has been uttered and divorce they must!



^^ Religion in its purest form



Now I must brace myself for a visit from the poet

[DQ]

Case 1 : The priest told Renu’s family that, according to Hindu tradition, a man who puts vermilion on the forehead of a girl was her husband. [Qualified by a priest.}



So does this mean anybody can walk into a wedding ceremony or for that matter on the road spray some vermillon on the head and take the lady as a wife.



Hmm so the Indian law should make a law, sprinkle vermillon and take a wife !!! Easy, why register ?



CASE 2 : Kanya Danam - The ritual of Kanya-danam is an essential aspect in Hindu marital rites: Kanya = daughter, danam = gift.



In ancient times, the Vaishya's and Shudras did most of the physical labour and menial work. The coming of a bride into the family meant an increase in the number of members who could work along with other members and become a source of income for the family. While the family from where the bride came sufferred the loss of one earning member. Hence a bride-price was paid to the bride's parents to compensate for this loss.



The Brahmins and Kshatriyas had only priestly and martial duties allocated to them and no manual labour was assigned. A marriage meant an additional member who was to be supported and hence was a burden on the groom's family as the bride did not go out to earn and contribute to the family income. Thus a dowry was collected to provide the additional burden resulting from a bride's entry into the groom's family.





And see what happens



For nineteen-year-old Rinki dreams of a happily married life was never to be. Barely a month after her marriage, she was allegedly tortured and then set ablaze by her in-laws for dowry in Indiranagar in the small hours of Saturday. Daughter of late Gyan Chand, a fish contractor who expired a year ago, Rinki was married to Anil on April 19... However, soon after the marriage, Balakram [Anil’s father] demanded a colour television instead of a black and white one and a motorcycle as well. When Rinki’s mother failed to meet their demands, the teenage housewife was subjected to severe physical torture, allegedly by her husband and mother-in-law... On Saturday morning she [her mother] was informed that Rinki was charred to death when a kerosene lamp accidentally fell on her and her clothes caught fire. However, prima-facie it appeared that the victim was first attacked as her teeth were found broken.

Injuries were also apparent on her wrist and chest.



AH alas !!! When and who will do this debugging.



No offence meant, its atrocious to presume that I have brandished a religion as bad no!!! never. Its again an open call for critical thiking.



It is a few bugged adherents who are unscrouplous such as those who come out in defence of the above abhorent acts on these boards.



The poets visit, a poet need not visit your locality, you are pretty eloquent yourself and brag about your background and upbringing quite so often

[DQ]

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 (Begusarai):





A woman in a remote village in Bihar's Begusarai district committed suicide, by setting herself on fire.



Savita Devi jumped on the funeral pyre of a bachelor Subash Yadav, because she was in love with the young man.



The incident took place when the entire nation was preparing to celebrate Valentine's Day.



Her children have no clue why their mother is nowhere to be seen. But they do sense that something has gone horribly wrong.



It's been two days since her death, but her husband who's working in Kolkata, hasn't cared to come for her cremation.



Mired in controversy



The reason lies in the controversial story that people narrate of Savita's death. They say she died by wilfully jumping on the funeral pyre of the young man, who died allegedly because of a snake bite.



"Subhash Yadav was being cremated. Later she went to his pyre and jumped into the fire," said Pano Sahni, a relative.



"We caught hold of her but she went away again," said Ramvati Devi, another relative.



The question why a married woman chose to commit suicide for someone unrelated is what intrigues everyone.



The village is also abuzz with the story of Savita and Subhash's romance. While both the families deny the rumour, Subhash's father Mantoo Yadav, accepted that his son's death had left Savita inconsolable.



"Someone saw her jump into the fire and pulled her out," he said.



Moral debate



Local police say that before she died, Savita declared that no one was to be blamed for her death.



Shyam Paswan, a guard in the village, said that she wasn't forced into committing suicide. She took the extreme step because she was in love with the deceased, he added.



For the tradition-bound village society, the story of a married woman's romance with someone else in her husband's absence is enough to have set off a moral debate. And the tragedy of her suicide makes it all the more stark.





WHO WILL EDUCATE OUR MASSES. WHEN WILL THIS DEBUGGING PROCESS START

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Case 1 : The priest told Renu’s family that, according to Hindu tradition, a man who puts vermilion on the forehead of a girl was her husband. [Qualified by a priest.}

So does this mean anybody can walk into a wedding ceremony or for that matter on the road spray some vermillon on the head and take the lady as a wife.

Hmm so the Indian law should make a law, sprinkle vermillon and take a wife !!! Easy, why register ?

Did it ever occur to you that the priest may be sympathetic to the girls cause? The girls family is *forcing* the marriage on her and her lover puts vermilion on her forehead, declaring infront of everyone that they are one not just physically/spiritually but also by tradition. If the Priest hadn't invoked religion, the girl would have been married to the groom and would live a life of misery when the groom finds out she had an affair.

If any aira-gaira comes and does the act, he would be lynched by the crowd and it wouldn't be called a marriage. I am in full support of a religious edict like this when invoked for a right cause.

But then this context does not mean anything to you. You will only talk about contexts when quran is quoted. Replace Vermilion with tripple Kubul/talaq and you will look the other way. Pathetic.

CASE 2 : Kanya Danam - The ritual of Kanya-danam is an essential aspect in Hindu marital rites: Kanya = daughter, danam = gift.

I do not know where you got this from, but this makes perfect sense. Yes, monetary concerns were, are and will be a major criteria in marriages and this is due to socio-economic conditions and has nothing to do with Religion as you are trying to show. Dowry is given in both Hindu and Muslim families of India.

No offence meant, its atrocious to presume that I have brandished a religion as bad no!!! never. Its again an open call for critical thiking.

Critical thinking and Criticizing are two different things. Critical thinking is evaluating the pluses and minuses of current practices and making amendments. Your open call for critical thinking makes sense when someone comes out in support of Dowry or casteism or any other *social* ill, which is never the case, not on this board atleast.



Contrast the reactions to a news item of dowry death in a hindu family and that of honor killings in a muslim family and you will know where critical thinking is needed.



Example: Making dowry a punishable offence. Making casteism unconstitutional.

These are examples of laws that came out of self criticism.



Lack of cricitcal thinking: Arresting a muslim rape victim on charges of Adultery because she could not provide four pious male muslim witness. Critical thinking is needed here. Is sharia right in this case? Is it being misused? If so, why and how? What could be done?



Being self critical is more important than being critical of others. Quoting a pakistani journo with slight modification, "We are both in shit, the only difference is that one is looking up the other is lying face down refusing to look up".

[Mayavi Morpheus]

WHO WILL EDUCATE OUR MASSES. WHEN WILL THIS DEBUGGING PROCESS START

I think you are either losing it or already lost it. What the _ do you want to debug here? A woman comits suicide for her lover and you are out to blame religion? I think you need to debug your mind first.

[DQ]

Who is blaming religion here you Idiot!!!



a simple answer to your rant. ^^^



Critical thought come out by discussion. Not ranting and raving.



Over a 100 times the secular mask that you wear has been unscathed.



Discuss what is being discussed, How many fckun threads did it take for you to accept



1. Acts of individuals cannot be used to generalise on relegions

2. Relegious Edict for a right cause.



Dck head now you understand what a right cause is and wrong one is, its the same _ question who determines what is rite or wrong.?



So what you perceive is right and what you dont is wrong. Did it once occur to you that a life also has been lost due to this so called edict. Is there no saner way to this hullaboo and drama....



And again who the Fck has blamed any religion, before scratching around others asses pehle dekho apni ga*d pe phoda to nahi. !!!

[Mayavi Morpheus]

I am not really surprised by the kind of abusive language you use to make your point. May be the childhood trauma of some unknown poet paying visits to your mom when your dad was not aroundt? It can be seen in other threads too where you have make derogatory references to others mom's. I have nothing but sympath for you.

Critical thought come out by discussion. Not ranting and raving.

If critical thought to you means connecting unrelated dots and coming to asinine conclusions, then I do not want to be part of such discussions.

Discuss what is being discussed, How many fckun threads did it take for you to accept

Look who is talking. Just take a look around and you will find how many threads you have crapped in by posting unrelated rants.

1. Acts of individuals cannot be used to generalise on relegions

Then why the heck did you start this thread?

2. Relegious Edict for a right cause.

What do you about right or wrong in this case? Forcefully marrying a girl to someone she doesn't like may be right for you, not for me.
Arresting a rape victim on charges of adultery (using a religious edict) may be right for you, not for me.
If you want to be critical, start at home.

Dck head now you understand what a right cause is and wrong one is, its the same _ question who determines what is rite or wrong.?

Read above. That the girl dies in tragic circumstances is unfortunate. That religion was the cause of her death is your imagination. Again, what do you know about right or wrong? To you Quran defines what is right and what is wrong, not to me, so shove it.

So what you perceive is right and what you dont is wrong. Did it once occur to you that a life also has been lost due to this so called edict. Is there no saner way to this hullaboo and drama....

Again read above. 'Maang me sindoor' is not a religious edict... it is a ritual and it is not followed in south.

And again who the Fck has blamed any religion, before scratching around others asses pehle dekho apni ga*d pe phoda to nahi. !!!

I am sorry, I do not have the same liking for others ass as you do.... and who are you trying to convice that this is not about religion? You only post about practices of hindus and expect me to believe that this is not about religion.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

The open minded people never discuss this because its not the mind that is open but the skull from which the brain is missing:

Jahanara's house lies off a narrow lane in Old Delhi.

Narrow steps, barely a foot wide, take you up to the first floor where she sits huddled in a corner of her tiny two-room home, mourning.

Jahanara's parents got her married when she was 15.

Now, two years later, she is back with them because her husband has divorced her.

Saying that he was setting her free he repeated the words "Talaq" (divorce) three times and left.

Rehana
Rehana doesn't take her husband's calls anymore
"My life's ruined. What can I do with myself now? I had hoped to spend the rest of my life with him and look what he did to me," she says.

"I gave up everything to go with him - I thought we'd be together through thick and thin, but he clearly had other ideas."

Jahanara is a victim of what is known as the triple talaq, where a husband exercises his right to divorce his wife within a matter of minutes.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Rehana does not answer her mobile phone when her husband, Akram, calls.



She has been married for 20 years and has four grown up children.



Muslims at prayer

The clergy is trying to spread the word

In January this year, Akram threw her out of their house and got married again a month later.



Rehana now lives in constant fear.

"He might say 'talaq' on the phone to me," she says.



"I don't answer my phone when I see his number. I want to spend the remaining years of my life as his wife. I don't want a divorce."

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Forced apart by society

An entire community in a village in Orissa is against a couple staying together after the husband said talaq thrice to his wife in a drunken state, BIBHUTI MISHRA reports.



A Muslim couple who has been forced to live apart for the last one and a half years following the husband’s ‘triple talaq’ in an inebriated state has finally decided to approach the apex court seeking decree to stay together. Sher Mohammad of Nanga mohalla village in Bhadrak district, Orissa had married Nazma the only daughter of Mumtaj and Nasima Biwi of Kantabania village in 1992. Mohammad stayed at his in-laws’ place after marriage as ghar jamai as Nazma had no siblings.



The couple had four children in 11 years. But on 3 July, 2003 Mohammad had a drunken brawl with his wife and in an inebriated state shouted talaq three times.



Later when the effect of the liquor wore off, he realised his mistake and with mutual consent the couple continued to live together.



“I hadn’t heard him shout talaq, neither had my mother, since we were inside the house. But the villagers told me that he had given me talaq and we couldn’t stay together. But my husband said that he was drunk and did not remember anything,” says Nazma.



But the neighbours said they had heard the man shouting talaq, thus the marriage had dissolved. Hence it was immoral and illegal for the couple to stay together.

So they intervened, led by the mohalla chief Bhallu Sardar. They roughed up Mohammad and drove him away much to the chagrin of his wife.





So any Tom, _ or Harry can break you marriage just by saying that he heard 'Talaq'

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Aaaah... the joys of Sharia and Equal rights of Women in Islam:

The Hudood Ordinances introduced a number of discriminatory laws, and most significantly equated laws pertaining to rape and adultery. The law provided that in order for a woman to prove she was raped, she would have to produce four males of impeccable character who witnessed the act of penetration. The testimony of women and non-Muslims would be considered worthlessIf she could not produce the requirement of four male witnesses, she would be guilty of having committed zina, or adultery, an act punishable by stoning.

It is estimated that up to eighty percent of women in Pakistani jails are facing charges under the Hudood Ordinances. Many cases involve women charged with zina after they alleged they were raped but were unable to meet the requirement of four adult male witnesses.

Thanks to this wonderful provision in sharia, the only way a woman can prove that she has been a victim of rape and didn't commit Adultery is by providing Pious(P) Islamic (I) Muslims(M) and in the case Pakistanis (P) (lets abbreviate it to P.I.M.P's (C)). So the obvious question would be, what exactly were these P.I.M.P's doing when the said woman was being raped? Watching her being raped? There is no way a woman can produce 4 P.I.M.P's, so she would be punished for adultery and be stoned Please note that there is no P.I.W.P's, a women's testimony is as precious as a used toilet paper. This should not be construed as discrimation of women, instead it should be looked at as women being protected from the dangerous job of being witness.



Lets discuss this religious edict with open mind and critical reasoning.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Yikes! I am doing so much critical reasoning that my head hurts... so I would stop. Besides bashing DQ is not fun anymore.

[DQ]

When you _ and crap it is solemn humour is it ?



And when you get it back its abuse, hmm



Any sane person can read through this thread and understnad who the slanderer is.



On the one hand I question a practise on the other you find it bereft to slander and slur a religion and its text. Who is the evil monger!!



Child marriages is it. (How many times have I told you when there is a itch look at your own butt, cum out of that self imposed state of considering that you can feel others itch and go scratching their butts.)



One marriage is it.



Read this a bugged centuries old practice,



For it is on the eighth day of Sivaratri, when the `kalyanamahotsavam' of presiding deities is performed that the ancient Srikalahasti temple bells ring ferociously, breaking the stillness of the night. That's the time considered auspicious when clueless, bleary-eyed girls in bridal wear are brought to the premises of the temple, some of them dozing off on their parents' shoulders, and forced to get the marital knot tied.

Concerted effort needed





The knot becomes albatross round their necks snuffing out their childhood forever. Faith takes over. Few rituals and a few minutes later the boy and the girl are declared man and wife, without their knowledge. For years, minors have been made to go through this pernicious practice often hidden behind the mass marriages of adults, with temple management looking the other way and district authorities' steps just not enough. NGOs estimate the number of child marriages to be 500 of the 5000 that are performed on the day every year.





AH and alas this practice needs glorification right, if you have doubts pick the hundereds of tollywood movies to open your eyes even better take a trip this shivratri



Bashing. huh a slandrer like you can dwell in his own saffronised prism.



Religion. Who the _ needs to discuss this with and AH. Remember the BAJA continue the BAJA.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Child marriages is it. (How many times have I told you when there is a itch look at your own butt, cum out of that self imposed state of considering that you can feel others itch and go scratching their butts.)

What is it with you and butts? have you taken a fantasy for the rear of late? Not surprising considering the fact that your head is stuck up there for most of the time.

For it is on the eighth day of Sivaratri, when the `kalyanamahotsavam' of presiding deities is performed that the ancient Srikalahasti temple bells ring ferociously, breaking the stillness of the night. That's the time considered auspicious when clueless, bleary-eyed girls in bridal wear are brought to the premises of the temple, some of them dozing off on their parents' shoulders, and forced to get the marital knot tied.
Concerted effort needed

Yes, child marriage is an evil practice in the modern day society and it should be eradicated. Make laws and implement them and put anyone who opposes it behind bars. If a religion supports child marriage, edit the religious texts to make them contemporarry.

Now tell me DQ, do you have the balls to condemn such practices in your islamic society? marriageable age in muslim countries is 13, do you have the balls to stand up against this?

Bashing. huh a slandrer like you can dwell in his own saffronised prism.

Religion. Who the _ needs to discuss this with and AH. Remember the BAJA continue the BAJA.

As I said earlier, it takes more balls to be self critical than to criticize others. There are numerous NGO's which are actively involved in preventing the child marriages. The government made laws making under age marriage illegal and over the last 50 years the number of marriages dropped drastically. This is called progress and this was not achieved by being adamant about medieval customs and religon, but being pragmatic and progressive.



Of all your nautanki of being rational open minded person, you havent yet uttered a single word against the evil social practices of muslims. Instead you have consitently supported sharia, Terrorrism and what not. What a hypocrite!

[DQ]

Shut the ..... up u nitwit.



I am sick and tired of idiocracies like these. Who the .... has supported what.



It is nitwits liek you on both sides of the stream that have led to the status of the globe today.



An average of 100 innocent people are being slaughtered everywhere, and idiots like you instead of giving it a logical thought would continue to slander and swear.



From the past 2 1/2 have tried to highlight where this extremism is leading to. All idiots like you could take time to do is continue to spread your divisive talk.



Its time we roe over and above our own prisms before we face annihilatioin, where are we progressing and evolving into.



CRAP MAN CRAP



Go dwell in your own baja.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Shut the ..... up u nitwit.

I am sick and tired of idiocracies like these. Who the .... has supported what.

It is nitwits liek you on both sides of the stream that have led to the status of the globe today.

This doesn't look like self-criticism to me. Not that I want to see you badmouth your religion or practices, but it would be nice if you stop badmouthing others, esp when the 'others' are marching forward and you are marching backwards.
Cheers!

An average of 100 innocent people are being slaughtered everywhere, and idiots like you instead of giving it a logical thought would continue to slander and swear.

Didn't we all think 'Logically' and 'unanimously' conclude that the hand behind every atrocity is either Bush or Modi or both?



Btw, when you point out a social ill in Hindu soceity you are a concerned citizen and when I point out something similar in islamic society, I become a hate monger and anti-muslim? wah bhai wah! Kaunsa madarassa mein padhe tum? laajawaab logic hai yeh.