Ganguly Insulted

[Rajesh Singamsetty]

The exclusion of former skipper Saurav Ganguly from one day international against Pakistan is an insult to a senior cricketer, who have served the country and became most successful captain for India, He is the one who pulled up the socks of youngsters and loaded the passion of cricket in young blood. I think India will definitely feel the absence of Ganguly in the forthcoming one-day series.

It is agreed that he is not in the form recently, but able to put up a decent score on the cards. Also adding salt on his wounds, Kiran More states in the press conference “Ganguly ODI career has not come to an end”, Dravid says, “it was a tough decision to leave Ganguly” to this statement they mention that keeping the 2007 world cup in view the teams are being picked up, which clearly says that Ganguly will be kept out of the world cup team. This is not the way such respected and senior cricketers should be treated.

Are the other senior cricketers listening!

[smack]

Hey Bhagwaan,



Yeh Ganguly bhi ajeeb virus hai.



And now that he scored double digit scores in the third test, I am sure Ganguly's fans are gonna come in droves asking for justice.



Before asking abt Ganguly, think Dean Jones, Mark & Steve Waugh.



And regarding he being part of next world cup, u seriously think he has it in him???

[HH]

Forget This "Insult" Nonsense ... What Can Be More Humiliating Than Seeing "Talented" BATTERS (?) Being Battered Into Being Bundled Out Before The Day End ... Sack ALL ... Begin Afresh ... Strictly On Ability (No Nonsense Like "Potential" / "Senior" ... Only Yuvraj Showed Grit ...

[ycr007]

bah!!!



sachin take vrs.......ganguly has been insulted.....sack all!!!!



why do all cricket fans behave in such immature & illogical fashion? yes, the team has been defeated. that too by a big ...nay..huge margin. that too by our so-called arch rivals!!! so? thatz not the end of the world, is it?



and this is not the first time that they've been defeated......if after every defeat, such nonsensical decisions would have been taken, we would have had a non-existant crcket team!



and pray, will sacking all solve the problem? you'll say "give the other youngsters a chance" and if tomorrow they will also be defeated, people will bay for their blood and cry for someone else to take over...and the great indian tamasha would continue!!!! puhleeze...gimme a break!



Sport is all about winning and losing...sometimes sweet wins..sometimes hard-hitting losses. (and oft seen in the last few months...dull draws!!!)



i'll not repeat the age-old cliches of "give them another chance"...or anythng like that. I for one see sport from a purely unbiased manner. Yes, our country has lost..but someone else has played better and they deserve to win.We will win when we will play better....simple.

and what about patriotism, you may ask! I prefer not to mix sport with either patriotism or politcs or even my day-to-day life!!!

[ycr007]

bah!!!



sachin take vrs.......ganguly has been insulted.....sack all!!!!



why do all cricket fans behave in such immature & illogical fashion? yes, the team has been defeated. that too by a big ...nay..huge margin. that too by our so-called arch rivals!!! so? thatz not the end of the world, is it?



and this is not the first time that they've been defeated......if after every defeat, such nonsensical decisions would have been taken, we would have had a non-existant crcket team!



and pray, will sacking all solve the problem? you'll say "give the other youngsters a chance" and if tomorrow they will also be defeated, people will bay for their blood and cry for someone else to take over...and the great indian tamasha would continue!!!! puhleeze...gimme a break!



Sport is all about winning and losing...sometimes sweet wins..sometimes hard-hitting losses. (and oft seen in the last few months...dull draws!!!)



i'll not repeat the age-old cliches of "give them another chance"...or anythng like that. I for one see sport from a purely unbiased manner. Yes, our country has lost..but someone else has played better and they deserve to win.We will win when we will play better....simple.

and what about patriotism, you may ask! I prefer not to mix sport with either patriotism or politcs or even my day-to-day life!!!

[KK]

Wuz all the crap about ganguly, dont you get it - only the best 11 should play. Ganguly has been given lot of opportunities to get back to form and its fair to kick him out. Also, its known that Ganguly is an adamant person and deterrent to the team spirit. I agree he did a lot as a captain in the past but that cant be an excuse for the team to keep him entertained for the rest of his life.

[Whiz]

But yeah, the team is going to pay for it. May be we might end up winning some and losing more but the team will not be the 'team' that we finally admitted we were. Under Ganguly's leadership (though some attribute it to John Wright) these bunch of exceptionally talented misfits came together in a huddle to be a team.



Yeah we had to rub our eyes and pinch ourselves a lot of times before we admitted that this indeed was a team that felt dejected after drawing with the Aussies in Aus, this was the team that beat Pak in Pakistan (though the 4th ODI was suspicious), this was the team that got raw energy to the field and to the crowd.



Granted that Ganguly's batting wasn't at his best. The recent performances are not that close to the form he was in when he was flourishing. But that doesn't mean that he did his job right.



He wanted to be a captain first and then an individual player. He gave the rest of the members the guts to look in the eyes of Aussies and make them look mere mortals. He is the guy who told the world that these bunch of talented jokers can almost get the world cup. All these additional tasks took toll on his personal performance, and before he knew what was happening, it blew up on his face. Come on, he took the reigns when we were a complete disaster. Tendulkar's performace was taking such a huge toll, the team was rocked by allegations of match fixing, we were losing both at home and abroad with the same alarming consistency. Consider that time, 5 years ago, to now. All thanks to the huddle, the magic huddle that gave them what they sorely missed.



I am not too sure if he was insulted by not considering him for ODIs or the last test in India or anything like that. He is definitely insulted by making him a scapegoat in the board politics. The board wants him out, be it because he was the darling of the previous board, be it because he tamed Greg's Aussies, be it because Dravid doesn't want any competition.



The team can handle pressure on the field, any day thanks to Ganguly's captaincy. But what they can't handle is the pressure in the dressing room. Look at the way Laxman played, it was abysmal. These are exactly the same grounds and pitches found on this side of the border. But he was hesitating, confused, scared to play his shots. As one low score and he is out, not just in the innings but from the team as well. The same was the case with Tendulkar. He too got the idea when the statement read that the outlook was for the future and all the grey haired guys will be out. The same line would hunt Dravid, if he has not already realized it.



The youngsters should be given an opportunity, there should be competition in the team, there should not be seniority complex. But what needs to be present, much more than anything else, is the absense of the tension filled atmosphere in the dressing room. Dressing room should ease the pressure that is present on the field. The selection should be based on talent, there should always be a sense of fear about the place in the team. But not because of outside reasons but should be purely based on talent and the individual's contribution to the team. No, not personal contribution but based on what the guy has given to the team. Be it handing over drinks or be it desert storms.



Making a decision to get rid of the Bengali or to include only the Maharastrians because the board is from that zone is the actual insult.

[Singamsetty Rajesh]

I think unfortunately if we lose the oneday series aganist Pakisthan and the next years world cup too chitranjan would say....

chalta hai....haar jeet tho hoti hee rahthee hai....

after all out of 11 billion people those 11 are selected to play for the country.

bah!!!

sachin take vrs.......ganguly has been insulted.....sack all!!!!

why do all cricket fans behave in such immature & illogical fashion? yes, the team has been defeated. that too by a big ...nay..huge margin. that too by our so-called arch rivals!!! so? thatz not the end of the world, is it?

and this is not the first time that they've been defeated......if after every defeat, such nonsensical decisions would have been taken, we would have had a non-existant crcket team!

and pray, will sacking all solve the problem? you'll say "give the other youngsters a chance" and if tomorrow they will also be defeated, people will bay for their blood and cry for someone else to take over...and the great indian tamasha would continue!!!! puhleeze...gimme a break!

Sport is all about winning and losing...sometimes sweet wins..sometimes hard-hitting losses. (and oft seen in the last few months...dull draws!!!)

i'll not repeat the age-old cliches of "give them another chance"...or anythng like that. I for one see sport from a purely unbiased manner. Yes, our country has lost..but someone else has played better and they deserve to win.We will win when we will play better....simple.
and what about patriotism, you may ask! I prefer not to mix sport with either patriotism or politcs or even my day-to-day life!!!

[Vishrasayan]

a very compelling read whiz....... very well articulated...



Generically speaking..



It is not always about how many good people one has in a team.... the pertinent thing is whether the team has the right attitude & whether the people at the helm of affairs have 'it' in them to let the team believe in itself & perform



If we average out the talents...most teams would have it equal...the ones which use the talents to the hilt rule, while the others muse..



Speaking of team-India - Cricket…



I am no great cricket buff, but this is what I think happened under Ganguly... whatever talent existed in the Indian team was used optimally – no doubt whatsoever that the team started to believe in itself under Ganguly... I also agree, Ganguly does not have many days of game left in him like so many others in the current Indian team & that one need not form an association or forum to cement his position in the team forever....



But does anyone see another capable leader on the horizon…?

[akhilis2cool]

I think unfortunately if we lose the oneday series aganist Pakisthan and the next years world cup too chitranjan would say....
chalta hai....haar jeet tho hoti hee rahthee hai....
after all out of 11 billion people those 11 are selected to play for the country.

yo buddy. if the wrld cup were tht improtant, then do u hate ganguly for losing the finals in 2003? or did u say 'haar jeet to lagi rehti hai'

[Whiz]

Dude, '03 was the best world cup for us apart from '83 where we actually won. Probably on some counts better than '83.



If we screw up in the next one, then we will surely and sorely miss Ganguly (if he will not be the one captaining the team). I am not too sure if we will screw it up, and as always we will be there but not quite there. And it will be too late by then. Now it is Ganguly, the next excuse it will be Sachin and Laxman. Then it will be Dravid who will fall to his own axe.



Looking at the line up (batting for now), the talent available is waaay above the ordinary. But what we need is a guy who can reign in the talent, get the distractions away from individuals, one who can fight for these guys. Remember what Ganguly did to Steve Waugh and Naseer Hussain. No wonder these young fellas call him 'dada'. Will Dravid be the next 'dada', hell no. He is good for PR but not for the leadership post.



We can write, discuss, argue, curse as much as we want here. But all that we can do is wait and see. Oh wait, we can set fire to public property to get our favourite player on the squad.

[CtrlAltDel]

insult or not, ganguly is at the end of his career and sachin is nearing his...its time for the indian public to look for a new God in cricket.

[smack]

insult or not, ganguly is at the end of his career and sachin is nearing his...its time for the indian public to look for a new God in cricket.

RIght said



If Sachin's time comes, he will also go. Now is Ganguly's time.



Bye Bye Dada



We will not miss you

[WTF??? HP]

insult or not, ganguly is at the end of his career and sachin is nearing his...its time for the indian public to look for a new God in cricket.

RIght said

If Sachin's time comes, he will also go. Now is Ganguly's time.

Bye Bye Dada

We will not miss you

Well....I have two points of view on this.



1. The short term view. The Lahore and Faisalabad wickets were batting paradises. And scoring huge on them was no great deal. When it came to a crunch situation, the much vaunted Indian batting was found wanting. Out of the 6 recognised batsmen (7 if Dhoni is included), only Yuvraj and Ganguly looked at ease facing the Paki pacers. Now, it is unfortunate that Ganguly couldn't convert his 30s and 40s into bigger scores, but I don't think thats reason enough to drop someone. Remember, he could have been on the bench and gone in for someone who might not have performed well in the first couple of ODI's. One day cricket has always been his forte and the runs he scored in Karachi were also scored at a brisk pace, something more conducive to the shorter version of the game.



2. The long term perspective. Sachin is still a key element of the scheme of things under Chappell despite his poor run of scores. Now, I'm not saying that he should be dropped from the team too. With WC within striking distance, I feel that Sachin and Saurav should be integral parts of the dressing room as mentors for the team. They are the two most successful batsmen ever in ODI's worldwide. Saurav has been India's most successful captain and is one of the best students of the game and among the shrewdest cricketing brains in the country. As mentors, they can render valuable service to the team in the departments of batting and captaincy.



They say that he's not a desirable element in the dressing room due to his arrogant attitude and lack of team spirit. I question the IQ of such people as the kind of character they portray Saurav to be can never lead a team like India to so much of success. An abrasive, aloof and arrogant person can be a tough taskmaster but never an inspiring leader of men, and Ganguly sure was one of the most inspiring captains to have led Team India. Moreover, the future of the team looks up to him as a leader as he was the one who stood behind the likes of Sehwag, Yuvraj, Kaif, Zaheer, Harbhajan et al when they were going through leaner patches. I do agree that the situation might be different today. With the team leadership not very welcome to Ganguly being around (though I doubt Dravid to have this kind of a tendency, the gentleman he is and restrict this attitude to Chappel and the board), anyone in his place would be uncomfortable. If the team management and players themselves cannot make him feel comfortable and welcome now, the fault lies with them and not with Saurav.



So, IMO, dropping Saurav for the ODI series in Pakistan isn't logical at all. Neither in the short term nor in the long term. It reeks of nothing but personal vendetta.

[ycr007]

I think unfortunately if we lose the oneday series aganist Pakisthan and the next years world cup too chitranjan would say....
chalta hai....haar jeet tho hoti hee rahthee hai....
after all out of 11 billion people those 11 are selected to play for the country.

well, i did feel somewhat on those lines when we lost it in 03' but whatever I feel is not that important.Allright, my previous post reeked of personal disgust on having seen these sorta statements all around me. In fact, in the bus,on the roads,even in the bloody loo of moi office people can't just stop talking about the loss.OF course it was humiliating,but my point was, is it the end of the road?

Today i happened to hear two blokes in the auto talking about how Kaif led UP to victory in Ranj trophy and he should be made captain

Really, this sorta talk seems cheap to me. Hail them when they win & dump them when they lose,sounds hypocrital to me!



But I guess that won't go away anytime sooner! we indians are an emotional lot and whereas I rant about why take this to heart & all such stuff, you people probably thinking of me as a raving lunatic!!! But, i don't grudge that!



Now as CAD said, if we remove Ganguly & Sachin and the younger lot fail to deliver, what guarantee is there that there won't be clamours to bring them back! As Indian team's history shows, once a player has been nudged out, bringing him back is outta the question. Azhar,Jadeja,Mongia are testimony. So my statements are not justified,even if I say so myself!



So where does the solution lie? I personally think that Greg Chappell's hardstance may bear some fruit,albeit in some later stage. Patience,is what is needed...and there doesn't seem to be much of it



and yes, I'll reiterate.....Haar jeet to lagi rehti hai!!!

[ycr007]

I think unfortunately if we lose the oneday series aganist Pakisthan and the next years world cup too chitranjan would say....
chalta hai....haar jeet tho hoti hee rahthee hai....
after all out of 11 billion people those 11 are selected to play for the country.

well, i did feel somewhat on those lines when we lost it in 03' but whatever I feel is not that important.Allright, my previous post reeked of personal disgust on having seen these sorta statements all around me. In fact, in the bus,on the roads,even in the bloody loo of moi office people can't just stop talking about the loss.OF course it was humiliating,but my point was, is it the end of the road?

Today i happened to hear two blokes in the auto talking about how Kaif led UP to victory in Ranj trophy and he should be made captain

Really, this sorta talk seems cheap to me. Hail them when they win & dump them when they lose,sounds hypocrital to me!



But I guess that won't go away anytime sooner! we indians are an emotional lot and whereas I rant about why take this to heart & all such stuff, you people probably thinking of me as a raving lunatic!!! But, i don't grudge that!



Now as CAD said, if we remove Ganguly & Sachin and the younger lot fail to deliver, what guarantee is there that there won't be clamours to bring them back! As Indian team's history shows, once a player has been nudged out, bringing him back is outta the question. Azhar,Jadeja,Mongia are testimony. So my statements are not justified,even if I say so myself!



So where does the solution lie? I personally think that Greg Chappell's hardstance may bear some fruit,albeit in some later stage. Patience,is what is needed...and there doesn't seem to be much of it



and yes, I'll reiterate.....Haar jeet to lagi rehti hai!!!

[HH]

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bah!!!

sachin take vrs.......ganguly has been insulted.....sack all!!!!

why do all cricket fans behave in such immature & illogical fashion~~~~~? ...

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[Whiz]

Did you guys notice that all this started not with Sourav or with Sachin, but with the appointment of Greg. Before that we did start on an immense transformation from being just bullied around to being with the top ranks (though out of a miserly 9 teams). But still.



Granted that the performance was definitely on the decline. But, as I was doing till a while ago, we are looking at the insiders while it could be the job of the outsider to disrupt the team.



May be Greg has the best interest in the team. He sincerely wants to improve the team to make it on the likes of the Aussie b******s (that was bloookes). And he is sure that the best way to get the best team is to create it all new, with fresh legs and raw talent. Hey this is a country of a billion people and we do have talent.



Let us wait and see how the promise is delivered. How long do we have to wait, I ain't too sure.