Sania's pre-marital sex comments

[WTF?? HP]

And DQ....if "traitor" is something you're used to since grade-1,

Yes I am used to

I've nevre seen 1st graders indulge in this kind of a language. Maybe you did something seriously wrong to offend your classmates. Did you cheer Pakistan on any of its victories over India?

it surely goes to show the deep-rooted hatred and bias you might have for anyone who doesn't seem to agree with you.

Deep rooted hatred and bias for anyone who does't seem to agree.
Whats wrong with you.
Looks like you are habituated to baranding anyone who doesn't concur with you a "traitor"

If so, I'm being very miserly with my habit. For example, I've been on these boards much longer than you. I've had several disagreements with practically everyone around. I've even called certain stands unpatriotic. I've even rescended from some of my own stands when I was shown something that I didn't know till then. But "traitor" is something I've called only you. And I'm sure you know all this very well. So was your statement about my habit just a reflex action against some bitter truth having been said about you? The truth that you have a unilateral view of what you percieve as nationalism - one that is extremely leftist - and anything right of that is branded by you as fascist. I've had 2000+ posts here and a majority of them on socio-political issues. And anyone who reads them will know for sure that they belong to a very centrist mindset. And this thread is not the first one when you've called me a so-called RV (everyone around knows what you mean by that), a Modi-bhakt and what not.

Time and again, I've said in this discussion that I don't subscribe to the RSS view except for just one tenet - that of love towards the nation (that doesn't necessarily mean I express my love in the same way they do). And still, just because I see a lacuna in the comments made in public by the celebrities in question, you generalise me along with that group. Now who is spewing hatred here?

Who generalised you with RSS?
ABVP and Jamaats and thier actons were discussed in this thread.
Your statements show that you firmly stand by the "So Called RV Status the Sangh parivar is promoting". By not only incosiously identifying yourself but also trying to defend their stand.

Now if the Sangh Parivar & ABVP doesn't mean the RSS line of thought, what else does it mean? And would you enlighten me by letting me know which statement of mine shows that I support their stand on the issue?

I called you a traitor because you see nothing wrong in an Indian (on paper) cheering for Pakistan when they beat India. You called it a trivial matter. Sport in itself is a trivial matter and I'm not one who would get over-passionate over it. But someone cheering on India's defeat is an entirely different matter.

Though this can be ignored or left to discuss in another thread.
An apt example of how you would prefer this thread to move.

I don't think I need to take you back to the long post you made here on the traitor issue. You raised some questions there, didn't you? And now you're blaming me for taking the thread astray?

As pointed earlier and thanks to those experiences from Grade 1, I have learnt to identify your likes. NO logical arguement can be had with yourselfs. Just because not many concur with your thought process you would now try to forment distrust among those who concur, what a willy way. 1 Lets start of by brandishing some one a traitor or Paki Sympathiser.

Could you please elaborate on what you meant by the part marked in bold above? AS for the Paki sympathiser and traitor part, enough has been said on that I don't think it merits any more waste of webspace.

Read some posts a couple of years back about how vehnemtally I support India in whatever arena. But I also find it below my nationlistic pride to tender an explanation or defend my stand to your likes.

I never asked you for a defence. As for your posts supporting India, so does Parvez Musharraf at times. And yeah, while you mention those posts of yours, let me also remind you of numerous posts of yours where you have justified terrorist actions in India, all in the name of oppression.

In a local league match scoring a boundary, and an idiot like you on his way back commented "Paki" even today when he sits his arse would remind him what it meant by terming an Indian a Paki. But since then I have matured enough, let dogs bark is my attitude. Apni galli ko har kutta apna samjhta hain is se koi farak nahi padtha. Galli ka Kutta Galli ka Kutta hi rahega.

You know how muslims of Indian origin are treated in the country you love. Do I need tell you more about "Mohajirs"?



OsmaniaBiskit - dude...as I've mentioned above, I'm a political centrist and in no way is my thoughtprocess fascist. You're quite new here, so you haven't been exposed to quite a bit of stuff that I'm sure you too would find obnoxious. Even on this thread, I've repeated time and again that overall, I don't see anything wrong in spirit with whatever comments caused the controversy, but the words should have been chosen judiciously. And inspite of my umpteen repetitions of the same, I'm branded as one who supports the fanatics on this issue.



The two posts of mine where you have formed an opinion about me have sprung out of three years on these boards where I've seen people doing a lot of the following.



1. Incessantly justify terrorist acts on the premise that the terrorists were an oppressed lot.



2. Branding anyone who is even a millimetre to the right of extreme left as one who subscribes to the RSS line of thought. As if on the entire socio-political thought spectrum, there are only two points - extreme left and extreme right.



3. NRI's talking pages about how bad a country India is because of so many problems that plague it. And yes, not a single mention of either the positives of India or even ways to set things right.



I'm sure that if you stay a little longer and participate in more discussions with me, you'll surely change your opinion about me.

[Confused HP]

Aqua....you have a point there. Monogamy does bring down the incidence of AIDS infections. And I say bring down because it doesn't obliterate it. The infection can pass from mother to child too. And also, wouldn't this stand also imply that there should be no pre-marital sex at all?



This kind of contradicts what you've said earlier on this thread.

[DQ]

I've nevre seen 1st graders indulge in this kind of a language. Maybe you did something seriously wrong to offend your classmates. Did you cheer Pakistan on any of its victories over India?

No.
Did I cheer Pakistan somewhere on these boards?
You see these So Called RVs and their ideologies dont need a reason do they ? And the way they are brainwashed, from grade 1 or even lower.
Ask any preppy in one of those RV modulated schools, "Muslims, ah they invaded us, looted us, broke our temples" and that grows as they grow.

If so, ..................centrist mindset. And this thread is not the first one when you've called me a so-called RV (everyone around knows what you mean by that), a Modi-bhakt and what not.

Its for this so called mind set that I started the Indoctrination the greates threat thread.
The self perceived beleif that whatever we are doing is right. The thought of either establish a Hindu Rashtra or a Sunnah Rule. Both are dangerous.

Now if the Sangh Parivar & ABVP doesn't mean the RSS line of thought, what else does it mean? And would you enlighten me by letting me know which statement of mine shows that I support their stand on the issue?

And if you do not support their stand why take offence when ABVP and the Jamaats actions are questioned?
Do you remember I told you earlier probably you inconsioucly support their stand and hence come up in defence each time their actions are questioned?

I .................. And now you're blaming me for taking the thread astray?

.... Well this was highligted so that others who are following this thread do not come back at a later stage blaming me for trying to sway this thread.

It also clearly shows that a logical discussion cannot be had with your types, you will continue to dwell in your baja.

Could you please elaborate on what you meant by the part marked in bold above?

Now thers is no cure to your self proclaimed status of a nationlist. and to add to that anybody who doesnt fit your description of nationlist (the RSS definition as you have earlier said) is a traitor.

AS for the Paki sympathiser and traitor part, enough has been said on that I don't think it merits any more waste of webspace.

Enough has been said?
No Baseless allegigations have been levelled. And that is what I pray to portray, this ideology of levelling baseless allegations has spread to an alarming exxtent. It is now being used in administration of the state, which should be a cause of concern for every Indian.

Let me repeat my self
In a local league match scoring a boundary, and an idiot like you on his way back commented "Paki" even today when he sits his arse would remind him what it meant by terming an Indian a Paki. But since then I have matured enough, let dogs bark is my attitude. Apni galli ko har kutta apna samjhta hain is se koi farak nahi padtha. Galli ka Kutta Galli ka Kutta hi rahega.

I never asked you for a defence. As for your posts supporting India, so does Parvez Musharraf at times. And yeah, while you mention those posts of yours, let me also remind you of numerous posts of yours where you have justified terrorist actions in India, all in the name of oppression.

As I told I deem it derogatory to come up in defence against such baseless allegations.
You will continue to dwell in your own baja wont you.
Pray where in the world did you ever find me justifying extremism. My stand has always been condemn extremism in all its forms. Dont be selctive thats it. And if you have failed to comprehend my earlier posts let me categorically state.
- I oppose the loss of innocent lives and strongly condemn extremists activities
- Be it carried out in the name of fight against opression / freedom in Kashmir or anywhere in India
- Be it the accidental shootings by the Indian Military.
- Be it the organised carnage in Gujrat
- Be it the Murder / Rape of Dalits in various parts of India
- Be it the bombings by organisations such as Hamas in Israel.
- Be it the skirmishes by the Israeli forces in the name of defence.
- Be it the Bombings in Newyork, London, Bali, Spain.
- Be it the cluster bombing of nations in the name of "Fight against Terror" or "Operation Liberation"

I can't be any clear then this.

The constant baja re iterates that these are the fanatics who would want this unrest to continue so that their nefracious purposes are fulfilled.

You know how muslims of Indian origin are treated in the country you love. Do I need tell you more about "Mohajirs"?

- yea the country I love is India. Ah yea looks like that is what Modi and his team want to acheive make muslims "Mohajirs" in their own land. Is this your ploy or something?



Anyway I will not respond to any of your crap anymore.



Back to topic, Sanias Comment. In the light of above arguements you and the ABVP and the Jamaats are right in their stand. You will interpret any comment to suit your propoganda.

[RK]

- Be it the Murder / Rape of Dalits in various parts of India

Don't talk rubbish on notice boards just to strengthen your point of view, rape and murder happen with women of every community(not only in India but all over the world and yeah, in those islamic countries too). Neither does a raper look for a particular community woman when he does that unhuman act nor does an otherwise saner person will commit that act only because he had come across a dalit women. Fortunately the world isn't so religious as you want it to be.



And for a change try using the thing between your ears before writing rubbish like this and try finding a more saner purpose than trying to propagate this unnecessay hatred against other communitites.

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cut the crap DQ....



no one here called u a 'traitor' or 'paki' until u decided in your wisdom to justify indians cheering and celebrating for pakistan's victories over india.



why shud u be branded that way for supporting palestinian causes or oppossing terrorism or even cursing Modi and Co. ?

[Bimbette]

Yeah, what were Sania's comments ?

Khushboo's comment was 'Men should not expect their wives to be virgins'.

The way some lunatics in TN have reacted to that statement makes me wonder whether we are living in the 21st century.

Just wanted to get this 21st century thing right.
Do you mean that pre martial sex in India in the 21st century is a common thing?
Me and my friends are all in their early twenties and according to my knowledge nobody has ever had sex till date. Is it that we were living in caves all these years or are you over estimating the figures?

RK, you will agree with me when I say that premarital sex is much talked about now(specifically in India) when compared to what it was in the 70s or 80s.



By making an issue out of the celebrity's comment, the people (in TN) were only trying to brush reality under a carpet.



I am a 20-something year old too and I by no means, meant that youngsters who haven't indulged in it are from the Stone ages.

[Aquarian81]

Aqua....you have a point there. Monogamy does bring down the incidence of AIDS infections. And I say bring down because it doesn't obliterate it. The infection can pass from mother to child too. And also, wouldn't this stand also imply that there should be no pre-marital sex at all?

This kind of contradicts what you've said earlier on this thread.

I dont see how I contradicted myself, I still stand by it. What still remains true is the fact that irresponsible hetero's and irresponsible homo's have made AIDS a pandemic, or else if it was simply passed on from a mother to child, it would not be called a pandemic.



People should learn to practice safe sex, or just keep their pants on. And children and young adults need to know the true meaning of 'making love' and then indulge in such things. My theory is: if your not old enough to vote, keep your damn legs closed

[RK]

RK, you will agree with me when I say that premarital sex is much talked about now(specifically in India) when compared to what it was in the 70s or 80s.

Yes, thanks to the competetion in print and electronic media, everybody knows how to increase their TRP ratings. Talk about safe sex which is a good thing, but why does somebody need to generalise that everybody is running around with their pants down. (Khusboo's statement 'Men should not expect their wives to be virgins' exactly reflects this. If you don't see it that way, blame my foul mind for comprehending it that way )

By making an issue out of the celebrity's comment, the people (in TN) were only trying to brush reality under a carpet.

Just as there is no need for a concentrated campaign against somebody who speaks about sex, there is also no need for people to campaign that premartial sex is a common thing in 21st century India. Premartial sex happens, but it is quite rare (may be 10% of the total population). What I'm trying to say here is don't give an impression that everybody is doing it and hence encourage it, leave it to ones morality (if at all people believe that absatining from it till marriage is a morally right thing ).

["There you are" HP]

People should learn to practice safe sex, or just keep their pants on. And children and young adults need to know the true meaning of 'making love' and then indulge in such things. My theory is: if your not old enough to vote, keep your damn legs closed

Isn't this what I meant when I said that underage sex should be condemned at all levels? People made such a big hue and cry over it branding me a dictator, fascist and all that. And I fully support the stand that everybody has a right to speak their minds. But...this right comes with a responsibility and in the context of the controversy, I feel that this responsibility was kind of alienated.

[betty]

Talk about safe sex which is a good thing, but why does somebody need to generalise that everybody is running around with their pants down. (Khusboo's statement 'Men should not expect their wives to be virgins' exactly reflects this. If you don't see it that way, blame my foul mind for comprehending it that way ).

Well, I have to talk for myself and I don't really see it like you do. I see it as khushboo saying that there is nothing immoral or unhealthy about not being a virgin and men should get used to the reality that their wife may not be a virgin.
And if that means she asked people to go out and have sex, it is as generalizing as saying, the ministers are getting encouraged to be corrupted as someone made a statement as 'we should not expect any leader to be non-corrupt'.

Just as there is no need for a concentrated campaign against somebody who speaks about sex, there is also no need for people to campaign that premartial sex is a common thing in 21st century India. .

No one is 'campaigning' for it, it is only your perception of the situation. This is a discussion board, so you find people 'posting their opinions' about it. That does not mean that people are sending emails to lots of other people, or are out on the streets with banners in their hands, or broadcasting it on TV to convince people about it.

Premartial sex happens, but it is quite rare (may be 10% of the total population). What I'm trying to say here is don't give an impression that everybody is doing it and hence encourage it, leave it to ones morality (if at all people believe that absatining from it till marriage is a morally right thing ).

Why should it be 'morally right' to abstain from sex before marriage? It is definitely not a criminal offence to go all the way with the person you love, and hope to continue loving throughout your life. What's wrong with it?

And the statistics is not as low as 10%, it is just that some people refuse to accept the reality.

[RK]

No one is 'campaigning' for it, it is only your perception of the situation. This is a discussion board, so you find people 'posting their opinions' about it. That does not mean that people are sending emails to lots of other people, or are out on the streets with banners in their hands, or broadcasting it on TV to convince people about it.

Well, khusboo said it on TV which was broadcasted. And my objection was to khusboo's statement and ppl saying that there is nothing wrong in what she said on TV and not of what ppl here have to say about their personal opinions on the issue

Why should it be 'morally right' to abstain from sex before marriage? It is definitely not a criminal offence to go all the way with the person you love, and hope to continue loving throughout your life. What's wrong with it?

If one is doing it with the person he/she is going to marry(if continuing to love throughout the life means that) then the issue of 'Men expecting their wives to be virgins' doesnt arise because he/she knows that they have done that.

And the statistics is not as low as 10%, it is just that some people refuse to accept the reality.

If it is really high (in India) as you say, then I should accept that my information on the figures is wrong. It might be because not many of the ppl I know are doing it and I'm generalising it for the whole country. And not because I don't want to accept the reality



My only objection is to this statement of khusboo: "Men should not expect their wives to be virgins" and I felt that it is a very generalising statement on a community which is not much into premartial sex (Again as you have pointed out I might be wrong with the statistics)

[RK]

Just as there is no need for a concentrated campaign against somebody who speaks about sex, there is also no need for people to campaign that premartial sex is a common thing in 21st century India. Premartial sex happens, but it is quite rare (may be 10% of the total population). What I'm trying to say here is don't give an impression that everybody is doing it and hence encourage it, leave it to ones morality (if at all people believe that absatining from it till marriage is a morally right thing ).

Well, I shouldn't have said that, please read it as ones choice.

[betty]

.......What I'm trying to say here is don't give an impression that everybody is doing it and hence encourage it, leave it to ones morality (if at all people believe that absatining from it till marriage is a morally right thing ).

Well, I shouldn't have said that, please read it as ones choice.

Yes, that's right....it is all a matter of personal choice. That morality word sent me writing that long post