So Sad

[Jaan]

Train Crash



My aunt was the only survivor of her family in a train crash long ago...



To see news like this again, its so sad



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[The Jackal]

Yeah just saw the news.Sorry about your aunt.

If we look at the bright side....lets be happy that only 20 people died and not 100.

[scorpio_irfan]

Yeah just saw the news.Sorry about your aunt.
If we look at the bright side....lets be happy that only 20 people died and not 100.

i think 20 peoples r also huge.why ru happy i dont understand i think u liked it much.

[akhilis2cool]

Train Crash

My aunt was the only survivor of her family in a train crash long ago...

To see news like this again, its so sad

Jaan

May thedead ppl. rest in peace.

I wish Modi and Lalu were also on the train.

[Sharjeel]

Train Crash

My aunt was the only survivor of her family in a train crash long ago...

To see news like this again, its so sad

Jaan

Very sorry to hear about your aunt's family .

May the dead ppl. rest in peace.
I wish Modi and Lalu were also on the train.

My heartfelt condolences...

The way Modi and Lalu are turning this into a political match, i wish they were killed instead of the others.

Yeah just saw the news.Sorry about your aunt.
If we look at the bright side....lets be happy that only 20 people died and not 100.

i think 20 peoples r also huge.why ru happy i dont understand i think u liked it much

Is it a matter of ritual on FHDB that some newbie should childishly admonish another member? The Jackal was saying that it is a good thing that so few lives were lost, because in these accidents, there is a lot of devastation.

[ycr007]

May the Souls RIP.



It seems it was a Signalman's fault and he's absconding......

Guilt wud'ave killed him anyway.....

[Sharjeel]

May the Souls RIP.

It seems it was a Signalman's fault and he's absconding......
Guilt wud'ave killed him anyway.....

The signalman is not the only one to be, should he?



Humans make mistakes.

[Sharjeel]

May the Souls RIP.

It seems it was a Signalman's fault and he's absconding......
Guilt wud'ave killed him anyway.....

The signalman is not the only one to be blamed, should he?

Humans make mistakes.

Ooops....

[ycr007]

May the Souls RIP.

It seems it was a Signalman's fault and he's absconding......
Guilt wud'ave killed him anyway.....

The signalman is not the only one to be blamed, should he?

Humans make mistakes.

Ooops....

That is an apt description of ur theory sharjeel



But Honestly,Though this error did'nt cause large scale devastation,it was totally avoidable.Blame may or may not lie at the signalman's door but those who have lost their near & dears will feel that a li'l error changed their lives forever...

[Sharjeel]

May the Souls RIP.

It seems it was a Signalman's fault and he's absconding......
Guilt wud'ave killed him anyway.....

The signalman is not the only one to be blamed, should he?

Humans make mistakes.

Ooops....

That is an apt description of ur theory sharjeel

But Honestly,Though this error did'nt cause large scale devastation,it was totally avoidable.Blame may or may not lie at the signalman's door but those who have lost their near & dears will feel that a li'l error changed their lives forever...

Totally agree with you.



But then, we should also look at the widom in putting 1000s of lives in the hands (literally) of a single guy. I know there is a robust, (almost) foolproof system in place, but it seems that there are too many lives beng lost due to human error.

[ycr007]

But then, we should also look at the widom in putting 1000s of lives in the hands (literally) of a single guy. I know there is a robust, (almost) foolproof system in place, but it seems that there are too many lives beng lost due to human error.

Yes.This accident was due to the Signalman's error in Switching off the Automatic Traction System and inability to switch it on again.Jus' a small error which was caused,not due to negligience,but due to inoperbility I guess.

What irks me is that inspite of numerous enquiry commitees that have been setup after every accidents,have their recommendations truly been implemented?



Most of us have seen the signal rods n signal stations beside the railway tracks.Who know how error-prone and robust they are? And Who knows when they're upgraded/replaced by new ones.A Transport system that caters to more than a million people everyday is bound to come under pressure and glitches will occur.But that does'nt mean that the safety precautions underlined in a particular commitee decision iss'nt implemented or even thought about until another devastating accident occurs....

[CtrlAltDel]

guess what is the most important thing for the central govt. right now after the accident...?



setting up a committee to investigate who stoned Lalu's car at the accident site.... that m*****f****r

[ycr007]

guess what is the most important thing for the central govt. right now after the accident...?

setting up a committee to investigate who stoned Lalu's car at the accident site.... that m*****f****r

Harrumph!!!! Now that Do-Taka Politician is more Important than the people who've lost their lives in the crash!!! Disgusting.....

[Jaan]

I was wondering...since the central government does such a poor job all the time...why not?



outsource to private companies? The govt can still have some power by capping the prices or something during the year. The companies would pay taxes to the govt....and the companies can still make a higher profit by making it a commercial venture.



Why won't the central govt consider it again? I dislike the Indian govt's economic policies...no economic freedom it seems.



Jaan

[Sharjeel]

Why won't the central govt consider it again? I dislike the Indian govt's economic policies...no economic freedom it seems.

Jaan

A completely rein-less free market is also not a very good idea.



Why not what?

[ycr007]

Disinvestment wud be a better option it seems.But Which Corporate would like to sink money into an organization as Huge and disorderly as the Railways.

And the Employ lakhs of people and their wages etc can't be foot by a private corp.

[Jaan]

Why won't the central govt consider it again? I dislike the Indian govt's economic policies...no economic freedom it seems.

Jaan

A completely rein-less free market is also not a very good idea.

Why not what?

oops typo...



the line should have read "why not outsource to private companies?" = privatize the industry? The govt can place some heavy checks and balances so one company will not be a monopoly. I did not ask for a rein-less market, its unstable, I asked for a freer economic poilcy considering some industries - such as the railways.



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[Sharjeel]

Indian Govts are generally quite good, but the problem is the opposition. Even if the govt is well meaning, the opp. wont let it do anything.

[Jaan]

Why won't the central govt consider it again? I dislike the Indian govt's economic policies...no economic freedom it seems.

Jaan

A completely rein-less free market is also not a very good idea.

Why not what?

oops typo...

the line should have read "why not outsource to private companies?" = privatize the industry? The govt can place some heavy checks and balances so one company will not be a monopoly. I did not ask for a rein-less market, its unstable, I asked for a freer economic poilcy considering some industries - such as the railways.

Jaan

ack! typo again: "...company will be a monopoly...."



Ycr: good point! But the way I see it, if I were a company I could always come up with ways to make more money and have efficient operations to cut down misc costs. As for the employees salary: it would be a pay for performance plus bonuses. Being a private company, it does not need to provide housing for its employees (but that is another issue I suppose) but it can be worked out!



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[The Jackal]

Indian Govts are generally quite good, but the problem is the opposition. Even if the govt is well meaning, the opp. wont let it do anything.

Yes the opposition will always make some BS claim that the private company will try to loot the money.Same thing happened when Naidu was planning to outsource Transco.

[ycr007]

Ycr: good point! But the way I see it, if I were a company I could always come up with ways to make more money and have efficient operations to cut down misc costs. As for the employees salary: it would be a pay for performance plus bonuses. Being a private company, it does not need to provide housing for its employees (but that is another issue I suppose) but it can be worked out!

Jaan

No wayy......The Railways Emplys mostly Unskilled labour and also Skilled labourer who are brought up on receiving all this allowances,bonuses,festival schemes and all of the things that come with a Government Job.And moreover there's this Job Security.I don't think they shall be entusiastic about a Private company taking over.



Another problem when they do outsource the "signalling" part of the Railways to third parties,IF at all any accident Occurs,the Govt will get the Flak for it.



MEbbe the Konkan Railway Model can be adopted.I think it is an autonomous body that has Its own funds and its own Engineer Staff and all and they do a lot of R&D.

[Sharjeel]

Ycr: good point! But the way I see it, if I were a company I could always come up with ways to make more money and have efficient operations to cut down misc costs. As for the employees salary: it would be a pay for performance plus bonuses. Being a private company, it does not need to provide housing for its employees (but that is another issue I suppose) but it can be worked out!

Jaan

No wayy......The Railways Emplys mostly Unskilled labour and also Skilled labourer who are brought up on receiving all this allowances,bonuses,festival schemes and all of the things that come with a Government Job.And moreover there's this Job Security.I don't think they shall be entusiastic about a Private company taking over.

Another problem when they do outsource the "signalling" part of the Railways to third parties,IF at all any accident Occurs,the Govt will get the Flak for it.

MEbbe the Konkan Railway Model can be adopted.I think it is an autonomous body that has Its own funds and its own Engineer Staff and all and they do a lot of R&D.

The railway industry should be swimming in profit actually, according to even the most pessimistic estimate.



But the blosy bastards always manage to show a loss, even in it is of a few Crores



A private company (Tata) once said that if it took over the railways, free train travel was possible, and they could still get profits out of Freight and Commercial activites...

[Mayavi Morpheus]

I was wondering...since the central government does such a poor job all the time...why not?

outsource to private companies? The govt can still have some power by capping the prices or something during the year. The companies would pay taxes to the govt....and the companies can still make a higher profit by making it a commercial venture.

Why won't the central govt consider it again? I dislike the Indian govt's economic policies...no economic freedom it seems.

Jaan

Indian Railways is a loss making PSU. No private company would buy it. If they do, the subsideis will end and the poor folk will lose their only means of transport. Govt. over charges the Ist class travellers and cargo to subsidize the third class travellers and pay the employees and pensioners. Its a tough job but then there is always a scope to improve things if given a thought.

[akhilis2cool]

I was wondering...since the central government does such a poor job all the time...why not?

outsource to private companies? The govt can still have some power by capping the prices or something during the year. The companies would pay taxes to the govt....and the companies can still make a higher profit by making it a commercial venture.

Why won't the central govt consider it again? I dislike the Indian govt's economic policies...no economic freedom it seems.

Jaan

Indian Railways is a loss making PSU. No private company would buy it. If they do, the subsideis will end and the poor folk will lose their only means of transport. Govt. over charges the Ist class travellers and cargo to subsidize the third class travellers and pay the employees and pensioners. Its a tough job but then there is always a scope to improve things if given a thought.

One of the major reasons for the railways incurring losses is the no. of useless employees it employs. Out of the 6,50,000 employess almost 30% are redundant. 2 people are employed to do one persons job.

If the govt. takes a bold initiative and removes them slowly...then the it wld. b gr8...