Assisted death

[asli_badmash]

I was in the middle of a discussion with my friend about Assisted deaths. I thought I should get a broader opinion and so the new thread.



Basically to define it.. An assisted death happens when a doctor or a medical person helps a human, who in his opinion can never become OK to pass on. Maybe by using Drugs or by stoping the breathing machine.



Tha basic idea here to ease the suffering of the vegetative human.



I think it is right for several reasons.



- Everybody who is attachd to the person is spared the trauma of a long drawn death.



- The person who is dying can be spared the agony.



- Since in India we dont have good medical insurance, it is easier financially on the people who are left behind.



I might sound heartless but look at it practically, people die. People are meant to die. so why prolong the inevitable. Its sad but its true.



My friend thinks otherwise.. he says you never know when the person can recover. He is quoting exceptional cases... I am all torn about this.



There are two ways of looking at this situation... What is your's?



~badmash~

[Adonis]

pull the plug

[ZC]

i believe in karma, what u give is what u get in return...........





Now, if the individual is destined to suffer, he will suffer in this life or the next life/janma........dont try to play God.

[CtrlAltDel]

i am for mercy killing...for all the reasons specified by Badmash.

all the karma-varma thing here is bullshit....just ease the suffering and get it over with. but one thing should be ensured: pulling the plug shud be the LAST option when cure is impossible and patient wud suffer living.

[ZC]

i am for mercy killing...for all the reasons specified by Badmash.
all the karma-varma thing here is bullshit....just ease the suffering and get it over with. but one thing should be ensured: pulling the plug shud be the LAST option when cure is impossible and patient wud suffer living.

by saying....karma is bull-shit ...did u realise that u r hurting the sentiments of many ?

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by saying....karma is bull-shit ...did u realise that u r hurting the sentiments of many ?

i said using the Karma theory to justify suffering of terminally ill patients is BULLSHIT...isnt it better to end their suffering rather than to prolong it saying "Its yr Karma, u have to bear it"...???

[ZC]

by saying....karma is bull-shit ...did u realise that u r hurting the sentiments of many ?

i said using the Karma theory to justify suffering of terminally ill patients is BULLSHIT...isnt it better to end their suffering rather than to prolong it saying "Its yr Karma, u have to bear it"...???

both are connected......Karma says...u have to bear it...u cant just postpone.....



if hes not suffering now, he'll suffer next janma....and who r u to play God ?



that makes me ask....do u believe in God ?

[CtrlAltDel]

both are connected......Karma says...u have to bear it...u cant just postpone.....if hes not suffering now, he'll suffer next janma....and who r u to play God ?

that, my dear friend, is very inhuman...

...do u believe in God ?

lemme put it this way: i am not an atheist. but at same time i make sure my belief in 'God' does not interfere in my rational thinking process. in cases of terminally ill patients, i believe its more humane and 'good' (as in v/s evil) to end their suffering rather than say God is punishing them. afterall no one has seen what happens after death...rebirth, afterlife, heaven, hell are all unproven abstract concepts.

[ZC]

both are connected......Karma says...u have to bear it...u cant just postpone.....if hes not suffering now, he'll suffer next janma....and who r u to play God ?

that, my dear friend, is very inhuman...

...do u believe in God ?

lemme put it this way: i am not an atheist. but at same time i make sure my belief in 'God' does not interfere in my rational thinking process. in cases of terminally ill patients, i believe its more humane and 'good' (as in v/s evil) to end their suffering rather than say God is punishing them. afterall no one has seen what happens after death...rebirth, afterlife, heaven, hell are all unproven abstract concepts.

even God is un-proven in that case .........y r u believing ?

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even God is un-proven in that case .........y r u believing ?

my concept of God is not of some being with a particular form and/or name...i believe in some positive energy that governs everything and everybody. call it God, call it anything u like.

i believe leading a good life without causing pain or harm to anybody will help me live n harmony with that energy and benefit me too.

i do not believe in prayers n rituals, but i believe in meditation.



but i have kept my mind open to these things. the day i feel convinced about concepts like, say, rebirth or afterlife, i'll start believing in them too.

[ZC]

even God is un-proven in that case .........y r u believing ?

my concept of God is not of some being with a particular form and/or name...i believe in some positive energy that governs everything and everybody. call it God, call it anything u like.
i believe leading a good life without causing pain or harm to anybody will help me live n harmony with that energy and benefit me too.
i do not believe in prayers n rituals, but i believe in meditation.

but i have kept my mind open to these things. the day i feel convinced about concepts like, say, rebirth or afterlife, i'll start believing in them too.

ur positive energy....im my language is cosmic energy ....that my friend, decides ur Karma.......whatever u do is registered in this cosmos and comes back to you....if u dont believe in Karma......y are u trying to be good? u can live a life like a goonda or a killer....y do u want to be Good ?

[Adonis]

because they dont put him in jail !!!

[Adonis]

because they will put him in jail

[ZC]

because they will put him in jail

whatz ur point ?

[Adonis]

what i m saying is you dont have to bileve in karma ..to be normal ....



person being good or bad ..really depends on, how they brought up

[ZC]

what i m saying is you dont have to bileve in karma ..to be normal ....

person being good or bad ..really depends on, how they brought up

y did ur parents ask u to be good? for the sake of nothing ? just like that ? ha ha ha ha....dont talk like a saint

[Adonis]

y did ur parents ask u to be good? for the sake of nothing ? just like that ? ha ha ha ha....dont talk like a saint

what the hell ??....i am talking like a saint ???..ur the one talking about karma !!!



ok lets say people behave good because they bileve in karma .....

what about millions of people that ont even know what karma is ??? most of them are not killing and raping people !!!

[CtrlAltDel]

ur positive energy....im my language is cosmic energy ....that my friend, decides ur Karma.......whatever u do is registered in this cosmos and comes back to you...[/i]u dont know that...its just yr belief...

u can live a life like a goonda or a killer....y do u want to be Good ?

the FEEL GOOD FACTOR..

seriously, i believe that the 'Energy' (whatever it is) will help me in this life itself. as Adonis says, i might go to jail...in this life, not the next.

why worry abt next life? woh jab hoga, agar hua tho, tab dekha jayega...

make sure yr present life is good for u and for others too.

[ZC]

ur positive energy....im my language is cosmic energy ....that my friend, decides ur Karma.......whatever u do is registered in this cosmos and comes back to you...

u dont know that...its just yr belief...

u can live a life like a goonda or a killer....y do u want to be Good ?

the FEEL GOOD FACTOR..
seriously, i believe that the 'Energy' (whatever it is) will help me in this life itself. as Adonis says, i might go to jail...in this life, not the next.
why worry abt next life? woh jab hoga, agar hua tho, tab dekha jayega...
make sure yr present life is good for u and for others too.

even the positive energy is ur belief...did u see the energy ? now, dont say, i feel it, like a saint........





Killing a person is escapism.........treating his disease is fighting like a man, that allievating pain......killling is not.....who gave u the right to kill......Now, if u only believe in Positive enegry, i hope also believe that its superior than u mortal r..........and i hope u believe that that very positive energy is responsible for death and i hope u will agree that death is caused by something superior than u r...and y do you want to play that superior.....trying to play God/Positive enegry/Mother nature is ridiculous......

[CtrlAltDel]

even the positive energy is ur belief...did u see the energy ?

logic. without any energy, how did all get created. there has to be a catalyst to start the reactions. and that catalyst is the Energy i am talkign abt. people generally give names to that energy.

Killing a person is escapism....treating his disease is fighting like a man, that allievating pain......killling is not...

hold on bro, i never supported killing seriously ill patients without treating them. "Terminally" Ill means that the patient has reached the end of the road. no cure possible. finito. the patient has to wait for death, hooked on to machines or medicines. and its gonna be a traumatic wait for the patient as well as the families concerned.

who gave u the right to kill...

the patient's family...

death is caused by something superior than u r...and y do you want to play that superior.....trying to play God/Positive enegry/Mother nature is ridiculous...

no, we mortals just help the 'Superiors' in their job sometimes even superiors do not know what they r doing. after all the patient wud die in a worse state sooner or later. why prolong their agony? only the doctors wud benefit with bigger bills...

[ZC]

hold on bro, i never supported killing seriously ill patients without treating them. "Terminally" Ill means that the patient has reached the end of the road. no cure possible. finito. the patient has to wait for death, hooked on to machines or medicines. and its gonna be a traumatic wait for the patient as well as the families concerned.

u do not know when he is destined to die...........u want to kill him, but what if he is actually destined to die 2 minutes later. y did u take the things into ur hands for that 2 minutes, who decides when is it right to kill....today, tomorrow...when.........

the patient's family...

u want him to be killed and want to give ur opinion......but u want to say its the families decision, bull-shit, be a man. thats called Go-Pi, Goda meedha Pilli, cat on wall, doesnt jump either way.........and can jump either way.......

no, we mortals just help the 'Superiors' in their job sometimes even superiors do not know what they r doing. after all the patient wud die in a worse state sooner or later. why prolong their agony? only the doctors wud benefit with bigger bills...

thats called , discussing for the sake of discussing.



who dedides what is the appropriate time to kill.........today, tommorrrow, next week, when..........





increase doctors bills......HELL, now i understand the logic behind ur discussion......money, money money.....u wud say Euthanasia is Okay when u dont want to pay ur family members medical bills. do u want their insurance money

[CtrlAltDel]

u do not know when he is destined to die...........u want to kill him, but what if he is actually destined to die 2 minutes later. y did u take the things into ur hands for that 2 minutes, who decides when is it right to kill....today, tomorrow...when....

in Euthanasia, a panel o doctors make that decision after cosidering all factors...

u want him to be killed and want to give ur opinion......but u want to say its the families decision

yes. the family has to agree to this. without their agreement no doctor can do that. and its no easy decision for the family too.

thats called , discussing for the sake of discussing.

no thats what i meant. maybe it sounded flippant, but i mean exactly what i say.

now i understand the logic behind ur discussion...money, money money.....u wud say Euthanasia is Okay when u dont want to pay ur family members medical bills.

money is one of the factors here. do u realise how expensive it wud be to prolong a life of a terminal case with machines and medicines. all r not rich and can afford that. this is a practical matter, not sentimental. i know its a very difficult decision to make for close family members. but i think its unfair to let the patient suffer unnecessarily, and to make the family pay to watch that too. which family member wud like to kill the patient? but thinking with a clear head that wud seem to most humane thing to do.

do u want their insurance money

now THAT is accusing for the sake of argument

[ZC]

u do not know when he is destined to die...........u want to kill him, but what if he is actually destined to die 2 minutes later. y did u take the things into ur hands for that 2 minutes, who decides when is it right to kill....today, tomorrow...when....

in Euthanasia, a panel o doctors make that decision after cosidering all factors...

u want him to be killed and want to give ur opinion......but u want to say its the families decision

yes. the family has to agree to this. without their agreement no doctor can do that. and its no easy decision for the family too.

thats called , discussing for the sake of discussing.

no thats what i meant. maybe it sounded flippant, but i mean exactly what i say.

now i understand the logic behind ur discussion...money, money money.....u wud say Euthanasia is Okay when u dont want to pay ur family members medical bills.

money is one of the factors here. do u realise how expensive it wud be to prolong a life of a terminal case with machines and medicines. all r not rich and can afford that. this is a practical matter, not sentimental. i know its a very difficult decision to make for close family members. but i think its unfair to let the patient suffer unnecessarily, and to make the family pay to watch that too. which family member wud like to kill the patient? but thinking with a clear head that wud seem to most humane thing to do.

do u want their insurance money

now THAT is accusing for the sake of argument

Go home and tell ur parents and relatives. Say "i support euthanasia, if one of u falls terminally ill". no more discussion. God bless u.

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Go home and tell ur parents and relatives. Say "i support euthanasia, if one of u falls terminally ill".

If such a situation arises, i might have to make that difficult decision. but mind u...not until all the possibilities are exhausted. even i expect to be dealt with that way, in case i am terminally ill.

[ZC]

Go home and tell ur parents and relatives. Say "i support euthanasia, if one of u falls terminally ill".

If such a situation arises, i might have to make that difficult decision. but mind u...not until all the possibilities are exhausted. even i expect to be dealt with that way, in case i am terminally ill.

possibilities....bull-shit, say, 'i cant spend more on you oldies, its enough". Just go home and tell them today.........no need to convince me.